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post #101 of 131 Old 06-02-2010, 04:59 PM
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exactly, you do really make a profit when it comes to slaughter and auction and since now a days slaughter houses from other countries will have buyers come to the U.S to purchase cheap end of the auction horses thats why we asociate sick skinny hurt horses with slaughter because the public is prolly not going to purchase those types of horses they want safe healthy sound horses ans since the U.S cannot ask what is going to be done with those horses buyers can purchase several horses for as little as 50cents a bl. which is not that much if you have several under wieght horses.

and yes big breeders do contibute because they are pumping out such a large number a year but if we had more people decided to buy or adopt a horse instead of breeding thier first horse or their favorate or their best horse thier would be hundreds of horses with good homes and not one hundred thousand that are homeless and or unwanted.

i understand if you fancy raising a foal or trianing a blank slaight but go on craigslist theres many new borns on there for dirt cheap or go to the auction or adopt one from BLM their are several BLM and wild mustangs that need new loving homes, there are probably several horses at your local rescue that just foaled. im just saying there are better more responsible options.

however i am going through this with a friend who is breeding her 6 yr old QH mare to a great looking stud for the pure reason of just having her favorate horses foal. " if i cant have her foal, i dont want any foal" is a direct quote.

this sadens me and i feel for the life she could have helped and i feel for the life who is coming into this harsh world where in two years this young full time college student may loose her job or find it impossible to keep her three horses and then it will take months to years to sell maybe one of them and she will find herself in tough situations. and unfortionatly adding to the hundreds of horses that end up homeless and unwanted by its second bday.

im not saying this will happen or that it couldnt happen to anyone encluding me im just saying i wouldnt allow another young healthy horse into the world when i could have taken in a life that was need.

i hope all of you understand what i am trying to say and if you do breed i hope you are breeding for the right reason if their is any, but let me make myself clear i dont judge you in anyway i just am disappointed and hope you see the benifits to the horses and community when you dont breed.

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post #102 of 131 Old 06-02-2010, 05:00 PM
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sorry typo i ment you dont really make a profit =)

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post #103 of 131 Old 06-02-2010, 07:29 PM
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Interesting. I've just got a few questions for you.

For those of you who are pro-slaughter, what are your views on the fact that most horse medication marks clearly NOT FOR ANIMALS INTENDED FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION? Are you comfortable sending a horse for human consumption that knowingly isn't fit for it? I think there would be very few horses that at some point in their life hadn't had bute, or worming paste or the multitude of other medications that carry that warning.

I've also seen online that some places offer low-cost gelding clinics, do you think that low-cost euthanasia clinics would help reduce the over-population of horses that the US has at the moment?

And if slaughter is a quick and easy way to get rid of the horse you've decided you don't want anymore (sort of comes back to the responsibility lectures your parents gave you as a kid hey?) why not get a friend around who knows their way around a gun and get THEM to humanely slaughter it on your property? Or is slaughter the "easy way out" where you don't actually have to deal with the fact that your horse is dead and you get to pocket enough for a carton on two on the way home?

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post #104 of 131 Old 06-02-2010, 07:47 PM
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Correct me if I am wrong but there are only two slaugher yards in all of Australia that are approved to export the meat for human consumption. The rest, known as 'knackerys', are designated for pet food only. The standards are quite strict and I am unaware of any recent scandals indicating otherwise.

Secondly, the vast majority of horses in Australia that are slaughtered are ex racehorses. The racing industry has a lot to answer for in terms of poor treatment of thoroughbreds, especially once their racing career is over. The horses are worked far too hard from the age of two leading to breakdowns and other physical complications that many horse buyers are not prepared to take responsibility for once the horse leaves the track.

I suspect the slaughter business is NOT deriving most of its support from individual horse owners who want an "easy way out".

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post #105 of 131 Old 06-02-2010, 08:03 PM
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Low-cost euthanasia may help, I think... a little, but possibly not enough.

As for dewormer, I haven't been able to find any harmful side-affect stories about it.

But, what I have read a few people bring up a good point: we ingest poison with our food everyday. MSG, food coloring, food texturisers... pesticides. Things that aren't for 'living beings' consumption in the first place, so those who do eat horse meat probably aren't all that worried. Plus, the majority of horse meat goes into dog food and from what I gather there are stricter guidelines for slaughterhouses intending to sell meat for human consumption.

Unless the horse has been on it for most of its life though, the amount in the meat I don't think would be that much after its finished passing through the system. Depends on when it was given and all that good stuff.

I don't typically give my horses vaccinations, not because I'm intending to consume them (which I am), but because they've never given me reason to believe they've actually needed it. Both of them have hardy immune systems.

And I will be taking the point of a gun to my own horses head when their time comes.

But, if I were going to send a horse purposely away to slaughter for human consumption I would make sure not to give it medications or whatnot before sending it off. Mind, I'm a responsible person and care way too much about other people to not.

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post #106 of 131 Old 06-02-2010, 08:49 PM
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Sarahver, you are correct about the two "meatworks" that can slaughter horses for human consumption (one which is about 10 minutes from my house), but having visited the sales yards myself and seen photos from a friend of mine who often goes - a lot of the horses ARE there from private owners, for example, at the last sales about an hour away from me about 15 groups of mares with their foals that went through (stock horses as best I could tell), several horses with "swamp cancer" on their feet and a whole lot of underfed mixed breed horses. I can link you to the album if you are at all interested in seeing what runs through in Australia at a normal sale

And sorry if there was any confusion, but as the topic is about American slaughterhouses I've been trying not to base my responses on what goes in Australia since they are two seperate issues (sorry if I wasn't clear enough)

Jhinnua, thanks for your answers - it may be a little different in Australia but I believe we are required to have our horses up to date for Tetanus and Strangles (much like your coggins I'd suspect) and a lot of our horses have been immunised against Equine Influenza.

I've also read somewhere that apparently the EU is getting tougher on what meat they will import for human consumption since their horses are raised specifically for meat much in the same way cattle are raised here, so I'm wondering if they decide to no longer accept "tainted" meat (so to speak) would that change your views at all due to some loss of demand? I ask this because I know in Australia several of the knackers and meat buyers do resell horses they purchase due to lack of demand equaling low per kilo meat prices.

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post #107 of 131 Old 06-02-2010, 08:56 PM
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Lifeofriley - That IS a good point, as I do know plenty of people who are pro-slaughter to the point where they have no issue sending their own stock to slaughter. They would be outraged at the very idea of putting a ten cent bullet into the horse and pay for the costs of burying it when they can be making a few hundred bucks on the carcass.

However, in my opinion, that is their perogative. Unless someone is a vegetarian, I will never understand how they can scream about ending horse slaughter and yet think it's fine to kill cows and pigs and chickens. Do they actually believe that cows somehow feel less, think less? These people need to have a pet cow and understand they reality of how incrediably intelligent and affectionate a cow can be. They make fantastic pets.

I think that's what bothers me the absolute most. I would LOVE to see better conditions for horses - but I want better conditions for ALL animals. I will never in my life condone the slaughter of one animal while condemning the next. People who believe that one animal somehow deserves to die more then another simply based on their own personal definition of whether that animal as a pet or livestock is the height of hypocricy.

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post #108 of 131 Old 06-02-2010, 09:02 PM
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-cough- Yeeeah, no one's brought it to my attention what I do or don't need... just what they recommend I do, so... I only really deworm my horses... <_<;; But like I eluded to before, they're probably the healthiest horses I know. The only problem I've had was when my gelding did something to his leg in the pasture and was lame for a couple days.

I will be getting their shots and stuff done this year though, because the school I'm going to requires it. Which I totally understand why. X]

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post #109 of 131 Old 06-02-2010, 09:10 PM
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Macabre, that's a really good point. Nothing irks me more than other anti-horse-slaughter people who cry foul about that but also use the argument "but cows/pigs/whatever aren't pets", with a Big Mac or something similar in the other hand

I'm not a vegetarian myself, but our beef/lamb/pork is purchased from our butcher who purchases from another local guy who slaughters himself (I've watched a cow be slaughtered and butchered, I don't have what you could call a squeamish stomach haha) and our eggs come from our chickens that live down the back.

I do make a concerted effort to make sure all my meat is humanely treated, because to me I don't care if it's Old Bessie your mare you've had your whole life or just the steer down the road who is off to the meatworks tomorrow - an animal is an animal and they all deserve the same treatment

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NOT FOR ANIMALS INTENDED FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION? Are you comfortable sending a horse for human consumption that knowingly isn't fit for it?
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