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post #11 of 131 Old 05-29-2010, 12:24 AM
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It is sad Ricci...really sad. From what I understand, the problem alot of people had with slaughter was the way they were transported. Horses were getting crushed (i dont know this to be fact, just anti-slaughter material I had). I think they were probably getting hurt in trailers because most of them didn't have any proper training in anything, let alone loading on an 18 wheeler. Also, the conditions of most of these horses is so poor, they couldnt stand in a stall...let alone a moving one. Life for *our* horses is great...they have free choice of food, lots of water, companionship and love. Most of the horses that end up at slaughter never had that. That is the saddest fact of all. People keep breeding but theres no where for those foals.
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... Which is something most anti-slaughter advocates don't realize when they advocate for things like this, is just how much it helps everything in the end. It gets rid of the unsellable, unusable, broken horses. They get the best care possible while they're alive and in the hands of the buyer. It stimulates the economy.

There are a few other things too, but I can't recall them atm.

It's like pro-life people who want to force women to give birth to unwanted babies. I don't agree with the women who are all "Crap, I got myself pregnant again" who get abortions, but if the woman's been raped, or is underage and can't take care of herself, or just... whatever... why should they have to go through with childbirth? It can be really scarring. Also there are enough orphans and lost children in the world, why are we adding more... y'know?

Not that, that's on topic, but it's similar. <_<;;
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Yes, there are lots of PETA videos floating around of horses and cows and pigs falling out of trailers because they were injured beyond belief and/or so weak they couldn't hold themselves up anymore. As mentioned, I'm sure some are like that, but if all it typically takes is a write up and a bunch of fines for people to change their ways? It's amazing. I'm sure there are also some very abusive plant workers, but is that any different from the average abusive pet owner?

EDIT: Everyone keeps replying before me!

I feel the same way about abortion. In some cases, it really is better. Another example is Downe Syndrome. They can test for that really early now, so the parent(s) have the option to abort. Why knowingly bring a sick baby into the world? I am pro-life in a way, if a 15 year old girl wants to keep her baby, than more power to her, but I am also pro-choice. You should have the right to choose.

Anywho, a lot of people hate it when we relate horses to babies and whatnot, but it really is very similar. Now let's hope we don't get bashed, haha. o_O

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post #14 of 131 Old 05-29-2010, 12:54 AM
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Hahaha. XD Sorry!

But yeah... people do get offended with that, which I think is dumb. If they bash us so be it. It IS the same analogy.

I mean, for godsakes, I train my horses the same way I train my dogs, which'll be the same way I teach my kids. They are all very, very similar. My dog got a heck of a lot better listening to me and stuff when I finally understood how to train my horse. I even used some horsemanship on him and he improved even more. lol. Dogmanship anyone?

I'm pro-choice all the way, definitely.

For instance: If my future son ends up getting a girl pregnant and she was keeping the baby, I would tell him that it's his choice what he does. If he wants to walk away and not deal with it, fine (I'd rather him take responsibility though... I'd still probably start making him pay rent and stuff. "You got a girl pregnant... welcome to adulthood.").

If he wants to support it, then he has to get a paying job. I'm not going to spend my money except as a grandparent would, lol. It's not my kid, it's my grandkid (even if my son will be a foster child. >[ ) I'm not going to raise it for him... and I would prefer him try to get custody if the girls parents are going to let her be lazy in her duties as a mother. No grandkid of mine is going to be a spoiled brat!
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Anywho, a lot of people hate it when we relate horses to babies and whatnot, but it really is very similar.
Neither horses nor babies can speak up for themselves, so, yeah, it is very similar.

I know a guy who goes to a lot of horse sales, and there are people who will buy a load to take to Mexico. These people (at least the ones my friend told me about) will sell any of these horses for whatever he paid for them.

I really wish that slaughter wasn't necessary, but the fact is, slaughter is a much better option that what we currently have.

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Hahaha. XD Sorry!

But yeah... people do get offended with that, which I think is dumb. If they bash us so be it. It IS the same analogy.

I mean, for godsakes, I train my horses the same way I train my dogs, which'll be the same way I teach my kids. They are all very, very similar. My dog got a heck of a lot better listening to me and stuff when I finally understood how to train my horse. I even used some horsemanship on him and he improved even more. lol. Dogmanship anyone?

I'm pro-choice all the way, definitely.

For instance: If my future son ends up getting a girl pregnant and she was keeping the baby, I would tell him that it's his choice what he does. If he wants to walk away and not deal with it, fine (I'd rather him take responsibility though... I'd still probably start making him pay rent and stuff. "You got a girl pregnant... welcome to adulthood.").

If he wants to support it, then he has to get a paying job. I'm not going to spend my money except as a grandparent would, lol. It's not my kid, it's my grandkid (even if my son will be a foster child. >[ ) I'm not going to raise it for him... and I would prefer him try to get custody if the girls parents are going to let her be lazy in her duties as a mother. No grandkid of mine is going to be a spoiled brat!
This post will be mildly off topic, but being a young pregnant soon to be mother dumped by my boyfriend of two years because he "just can't deal with things" I can sure tell you if any son of mine decided to do that he would not have my support. If you're man enough to get a woman pregnant you are man enough to deal with the consequence of your actions. Be you 14 or 40. We all are aware of what happens when you have sex. As safe as you can be there is still that 0.0000001 chance and me being the (un)lucky one I got pregnant. He has every right to walk away but I wouldn't support any man doing so, even if he was my own child.

As for the comment on downs syndrome it's actually not that accurate yet. Which kind of sucks. I am very pro choice and would never frown upon a woman for getting an abortion, regardless of why she is doing it because that is her right but I know of two women who's babies tested positive for it but are clearly do not have it.

As for horse slaughter I am all for it. I've seen way too many neglected animals for my liking. Had they just sold them at the auction earlier they would have had a lot less suffering.

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Considering I hope to raise a son who's responsible for his actions, I do hope that option 1 isn't an actual option for him... but if it is, and that's what he feels he needs to do... it's his life. I may not agree with the decision, but I will still support him. 'Cause he's my son.

But as I said, I'd also treat him like an adult. He would have to get a job, start paying his own way, pay child support... continue going to school... etc. After a long speech about how there are consequences to his actions and all that. I just wouldn't straight-up disown him.

But uh, yeah... Go slaughter! Take them poor unwanted ponies away!

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well I know it's a little late in the game but i feel the need to say something,I'm new to this forum and haven't been around to see the other horse slaughter posts but i do know that it's a touchy subject on both sides. I used to be one of those were so against horse slaughter and blah blah blah but I've opened my eyes to reality and know it's really the best method.

The place where I got my mare from is "the" horse dealer in my state and has it's sales barn and the back barn. The back barn is where they keep the horses that are off to Canada. I've known people that have sold their horse to this dealer and said "make sure this one gets on the truck" yeah I thought it was horrid when I first heard about it but this horse was sick but this was the best way. Here in Maine we can't buried a horse on our own property, it's against the law. So instead of just paying for the euthanasia we have to pay for the horse to be hauled off and disposed off. It costs about $1000-$2000. So anyway this horse was sick, and his medical bills had already cost more then he was worth. Times are tough and this wasn't an easy decision(she DOESN'T do this to every horse, but some are beyond help). This barn owner has seen first hand the starvation in other countries(people) and is a strong believer that these unwanted horses were put on earth for a purpose and feeding those starving countries just may very well be their purpose. I don't want anyone to attack me for stating this because there was nothing else to be done for this horse, rescues have reached their maximum and no one wants to take on a horse that has such costly medical bills, what was she supposed to do? It happens all the time so this doesn't make her a bad person!

Why deny these people in other countries a food source just because some animal welfare groups threw a temper-tantrum and congress shut down the plants. These horses are going through a lot more then they would have if they had been sent to a U.S. slaughter house, but nope those are closed so now a majority of them get packed onto a truck and sent to good ol' humane Mexico. My applause goes out to those groups, you guys really solved that problem.

So I guess I am now pro-slaughter(even though I hate that word), I think the plants need to be reopened/rebuilt. I think the government should have a more strict rule about the humane killing of ALL animals in the slaughter houses. We have no control on what goes on in slaughter houses in other countries but we can at least do our horses some good and make a humane way of slaughter in the U.S. to make sure these horses get the best treatment right up until their last breath.


sorry I needed to rant:p
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post #19 of 131 Old 05-29-2010, 06:12 PM
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I am also por-slaughter. Take deer for example. When they get overpopulated the goverment expands the limit and gets them back under control. Yet, horses can starve and die? Over population is really the problem. There are to many horses. Now the market has gone to hell, you can't get rid of a horse. Slaughter is just a way of keeping things balanced. It's a fact of life, not a pretty one, but it's something that needs to be done. Why would someone who loves horses prefer to see one starve to death because no one can afford to feed it? I would much rather have my horse put down and put to use than waste away painfully.

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post #20 of 131 Old 05-29-2010, 10:05 PM
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The owners of these plants want all the money they can get from each animal and that means keeping them comfortable as possible.
Can you explain that?? If I'm the owner of a slaughter plant thinking about profit, I'm going to give each horse less space and comfort so I can fit more in at a time. I'm also going to rush them a long as fast as possible so I can do more each day. That's basic economics. Being nice to the animals always costs more money, not less. Just like in any other equine business.


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There are too many hungry people in the world to be throwing hundreds of pounds of meat into a hole in the ground.
Horsemeat doesn't feed anyone who's really hungry. It goes to gourmet markets in Europe and Japan. Just sayin'.


I'm not against killing horses for meat but I think there's definite room for improvement in the slaughter industry.
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