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post #21 of 131 Old 05-29-2010, 11:28 PM
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So I've been wanting to reply to this thread for a few days, but I only had access to a crappy keyboard, and it was frustrating to try and type. But here it is.

I think specifically for the US, slaughter can only be a good thing. Think about it....rescue organizations are FULL of horses who are or were on the brink of death, and will probably have a myriad of health problems, if they don't already. Or, on the flip side, these are the horses that nobody wants. While I am against the slaughter of a perfectly good animal, at the same time, if it gets the rest of the horse market moving, then its just a sacrifice that has to be made. Supply and demand....when there's more supply, demand goes down; when there's less supply, demand goes up. If we re-open slaughter houses in the US, these things can be regulated. Its been said before, but horses will spend maybe 1 or 2 days on a trailer, rather than a week. The way that they're slaughtered will be regulated (no ice picks in the spine, etc) and even the animals themselves will be regulated (I know there was talk about having horses scanned by a microchip reader, or something of that sort before being killed in case they were stolen horses).

The second thing is jobs. We need jobs in the US, its pretty simple. Opening up slaughterhouses will do that.

Finally, the overall economy will benefit. Where do you think all of that horse meat is going to go? Since we don't eat it, the only logical thing would be to export it....for what? Money! Our government needs money too; when the government has money, businesses and banks have money, roads and bridges aren't crumbling, new schools can be built, etc. Whether it feeds rich people or poor people, someone is paying us to sell it to them.
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This post will be mildly off topic, but being a young pregnant soon to be mother dumped by my boyfriend of two years because he "just can't deal with things" I can sure tell you if any son of mine decided to do that he would not have my support. If you're man enough to get a woman pregnant you are man enough to deal with the consequence of your actions. Be you 14 or 40. We all are aware of what happens when you have sex. As safe as you can be there is still that 0.0000001 chance and me being the (un)lucky one I got pregnant. He has every right to walk away but I wouldn't support any man doing so, even if he was my own child.
But think about it if the situation were reversed. You wanted to abort but your boyfriend did not. You did not want the responsibility [even though it is just as much your fault as his] and couldn't be bothered by it, but your boyfriend did. Wouldn't you want to have your right to "bail?" You don't have to answer, I'm just saying, it could easily go both ways. I am sorry that you were put in the situation though, I can't imagine how tough it is. But if you're into horses, your probably pretty tough yourself. =]

And back on topic, lol. As to making the animals comfortable VS profit, I think that was already mentioned. There could be/are regulations, and if said regulations are not met, fines will be given. Therefore, loss of profit. It would not be profitable to make things uncomfortable when you are then opening yourself up to thousands of dollars in fines. That's not factual, just what I'm gathering from some things that have been mentioned. If you get paid to drive fast, but rack up a bunch of speeding tickets, what are you really taking away?

This brings me around to Sam's post about money that hadn't been made yet. It makes perfect sense. Horse meat isn't cheap, because it's not all that common. As mentioned, horses aren't bred for slaughter like cattle and swine. There just isn't as much horse meat on the market. I can't imagine how much a horse steak actually costs, much less the whole horse as meat. Then consider the cost to transport horses to Mexico for slaughter. That can't be cheap either, paying for employees, paying for time, paying for gas, paying for driver to eat, etc. We are essentially digging ourselves into a big pit by closing down the slaugherhouses, huh?

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But think about it if the situation were reversed. You wanted to abort but your boyfriend did not. You did not want the responsibility [even though it is just as much your fault as his] and couldn't be bothered by it, but your boyfriend did. Wouldn't you want to have your right to "bail?" You don't have to answer, I'm just saying, it could easily go both ways. I am sorry that you were put in the situation though, I can't imagine how tough it is. But if you're into horses, your probably pretty tough yourself. =]
You aren't the first to say it and I don't take offense to it in the slightest. If the table was turned I'd want my right to bail and I respect his right to do so. We discussed it in great detail and decided that if he still feels this way we'll leave father unknown on the legal documents and he can put it all behind him. I'm not pushing for child support. I don't want a thing other than him to hopefully find happiness.
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I think people tend to let human emotion get too involved. Realistically, from an equine point of view, there is very little difference from the fear and pain they may experience in a slaughter house and the fear and pain they may experience from someone trying to fix a broken leg. And yet we hail those who try to save severely injured animals as heros. It honestly makes me shake my head - animals do not UNDERSTAND a "second chance". A horse will never understand why he's being locked in a dark stall month after month, unable to move and in pain. He doesn't get down to his pony knees at the end and thank the heavens that he's alive. The ONLY difference that I will give any weight to is that a horse may find it less fearful having the human he trusts by his side as opposed to the nothing he finds in a slaughter pen - but quite frankly, 90% of horses that end up in a slaughter pen are NOT someone's "beloved pet" like PETA and YouTube wants to make you believe.

To a horse, there is no difference between being cut out of his herd as a wild animal and "tamed" by a human as there is being in a strange place with a strange smell. Fear is fear to a horse, they don't differentiate - but we somehow justify the fear we put horses through because WE choose to believe we're "doing it out of love". And no doubt the final product is worth it - a cared for animal that is treated well. But watch some videos some times on working wild Mustangs - the fear shakes from every last muscle they have, their eyes are wild with terror and desperation to escape. They tremble, the fight, they try to escape - now please tell me how this is any different then any propaganda we've ever heard from the anti-slaughter section? Heck, the slaughter horses probably have it better! At least they have death waiting for them, not the 50% of lousy worthless families the Mustangs may end up with!

I am against calculated torture of animals, and I DO classify into that section the cruelty seen with downer animals - horses or cattle with broken legs being zapped and kicked over and over when the idiots handling them KNOW they can't get up. I like to think this makes up a smaller portion then we like to believe - most people aren't out to delibrately torture animals, even in the slaughter industry.

It sucks that a percentage of kills don't go 100% according to plan - but in the end, they ARE dead. It always makes me wonder if people wouldn't try to jail lions and wolves for the way they kill their prey - it's as quick as they can make it, but the terror and pain the animal suffers is likely just as long, if not longer, as that of your average slaughter animal. I roll my eyes are the vast majority of anti-slaughter propaganda as they pass off everything from a dying nervous system to a slight breathing as an animal being "fully consious and aware of what is going on." Highly doubtful - even if the kill is not immediate, you can virtually guarantee the degree of brain damage or unconsiousness has rendered the animal past any real state of awareness. I've butchered chickens before - even after severing the spines through the back of the neck, they will flop, gurgle and cluck for a solid 5 minutes after you KNOW they aren't truly feeling anything.

Could changes be made? Definitely. And it's good we have people striving to ensure the treatment doesn't reach a point of unacceptable proportions. But in this day and age, the actions that occur in most backyards around the world are more unfathomably cruel then anything that will ever happen in a slaughter house.

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You know, that almost makes me want to make a 'pro slaughter' video. <_< Where there are images and video clips from people abusing their animals in their backyard, or unwanted horses in the fields, or wandering around in the wild with nowhere else to go starving to death, vs. a well run slaughter house that's clean and where all the horses have water and food.

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You know, that almost makes me want to make a 'pro slaughter' video. <_< Where there are images and video clips from people abusing their animals in their backyard, or unwanted horses in the fields, or wandering around in the wild with nowhere else to go starving to death, vs. a well run slaughter house that's clean and where all the horses have water and food.
Not a bad idea. I'd help with that project any day.
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Speedy_da_fish, I think it was, posted a video of a British slaughter house which was very good, all the horses were handled calmly, it showed them eating together beforehand. The worst thing they could come up with was a mare that was left for a little bit while they opened the plant before shooting her.

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I remember several years ago the government here wanted to take off rent controls. Many people protested because they thought it would cause rental prices to spike. They were right, it did - For a while. But eventually the system balanced itself out.

It is the same here. All those unwanted horses you see starving out in the fields now? They were probably born or bred before the slaughter ban came into effect. Now that over breeding doesn't pay any more, breeders will stop doing it. They will have to, or they will lose money. It just takes some time for the laws of supply and demand to come into effect.

Yes, there will always be genetic loser horses that no one wants, but if those were the only horses we had to slaughter we could afford to do it in a more humane way (like they do in some European countries).
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I think that is a pretty naive attitude. Considering you live in Canada, where slaughter IS still legal, it's a pipe dream. Even if by some miracle of god, we managed to ban slaughter here as well - do you think you're going to have much luck convincing Mexico to follow suit? And you're right, we could ban all transport of horses for food to Mexico, but now you're making this an international trade issue as opposed to an animal issue. Do you really think you can just pull up and stop trading with a country without whiplash? This extends FAR beyond the "rights of a horse", which is what people simply don't see. The cow is considered a sacred animal in most of India due to Hindiusm. Perhaps they should cut off all trade with us because we continue to abuse and consume the cow?

People will always have different opinions and you can't just force your beliefs on other countries. Horse slaughter is GOING to happen, regardless of how much we believe we can regulate it, and we are speaking about living ANIMALS here, not regulating rent.

Quite frankly, I find it ridiculous that you would actually advocate the next decade of starving and diseased animals because you somehow believe that's BETTER then regulating a more humane slaughter process and ending the lives of these animals quickly.

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^^I agree. If you think that the only horses that no one wants are 'genetic losers' you should come clean stalls at our rescue for a day. Dani, a retired TB is far from a loser...as a matter of fact, she was quite the winner (100K). She has had atleast 3 foals...all of which were winners. The trouble is, she broke her withers in a starting gate...bye-bye riding...her last foal was a 'warmblood' attempt...she is 16HH the stud was 18HH the baby was a monster. He ripped her wide open...bye-bye babies. So now what? You couldn't put her down while she was ripped, she had a very expensive baby to nurse. So you would let her nurse her baby...and send her to the auction. While Dani is a beautiful horse and a perfect pasture pal...there arent enough pastures or open hearts to take her in. She is a hard keeper and costs almost double what a 'normal' horse would. She lives on bute and weight builder. We wont put her down because we promised not to. Had slaughter houses been open...Dani wouldn't be here...and that might not be a bad thing...sorry if i sound abrupt but the world is a naive place. In fairy tales horses without purpose live out there days in tall grass. In real life, the horses in use get the good grass and the ones who aren't get a shot.
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