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post #51 of 131 Old 05-30-2010, 11:34 PM
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I'm pro-slaughter. I believe horses that have no purpose other than to be a pasture ornament, or hay-burner, could make a decent meal for someone. I love cows. though I continue to eat them. Same goes for chickens, hogs, lambs, and goats. They're [horses] intended purposes no longer remain, so they now they have a new destiny.. The dinner plate.
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post #52 of 131 Old 05-30-2010, 11:50 PM
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Ranchers are trying to use the public land to benefit themselves and the public but they have to deal with feral horses (mustangs included) competing for the same grass thier cattle and sheep should be getting.
That would make sense, wouldn't it? Gee Jhin... logic, logic.

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post #53 of 131 Old 05-31-2010, 12:06 AM
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Awesome points everyone!

I'm truly eager to hear the point of view from someone who is anti-slaughter and has some solid opinions to back their points up. I love a good debate, and unfortunately it seems like most anti-slaughter people are to emotional to think with logic. I'm not being sarcastic here, I enjoy both sides of every argument. I am 110% anti-religion and I actually have intense religious discussions with my very good Christian friend because she's so logical and straight forward in her answers, it's a delight to banter with her.

ponyboy - your post is bordering on emotional. You essentially did nothing but ramble on about how others were wrong without actually providing any true opinions to my questions. You are still acting like BYB occurs because people are profiting - exactly how does one profit from feeding a pregnant mare for 11 months, raising a hungry colt for 3 years and then selling it's carcass for a few hundred bucks? They can't get more then $50 for foals because even the kill buyers don't really want them, so your market stability theory is flawed at best. Honeysuga hit it on the head, you're only evading the point in hopes we will be convinced you are an intelligent human being who knows what you're talking about but your veily thinned attempt to insult us is a waste of time because we're a little more intelligent then to not understand what you're implying.

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post #54 of 131 Old 05-31-2010, 12:30 AM
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Unfortunately the world is full of idiots.

-Idiots who breed unsuitable horses.
-Idiots who think young horses do not need to learn manners from an early age.
-Idiots who shouldn't be riding/training young horses, leading to behavioural problems when training issues aren't addressed.
-Idiots who buy the wrong horse just because they want something of a certain height/age/breed/colour even though the horse is not suitable for them, leading to behavioural problems when they can't ride it.
-Idiots who buy horses without realizing the amount of care and maintanence that comes with ownership, leading to health complications.

Thanks to all the idiots in the world we have too many horses and not enough good homes for them.

I hate the thought of horse slaughter but unfortunately the alternative is that some horses are left to die slowly and miserably, I would rather a quick death for horses that have no other option.

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post #55 of 131 Old 05-31-2010, 07:18 PM Thread Starter
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Yes. Please. If you are going to make this into debate, make it a real one. I also enjoy a good debate, but if all you're going to do is stomp your foot about how right you are and how wrong everyone else is, your post is pretty much useless. =P

I'm still on the pro- side. Someone brought it up but I don't remember who. I'd rather have my horse shot than starved. Just like I'd rather die suddenly then slowly.

You cannot base your opinions on PETA videos. Just because PETA found the ONE situation where something bad happened, doesn't mean it's like that everywhere all the time. How could it be? Especially health-wise. No one would be buying the meat if it were making them sick.

Another big point I'm not sure has been made is that horses are not BRED with the intention of being butchered. You don't make a foal, fatten it up, and then butcher it. Horses are "made" with the intention of being a working animal for humans. Whatever the work, it is "made" for work. Not food. I've never heard of a horse-feed lot like they have for cattle. Have you?

As for the argument about how not all horses that go to slaughter are "loser" horses. Maybe they didn't start that way, but they are loser horses now. Even if they were Grand Prix horses five years ago, it would take YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS to get them back to that point, if you could get them back to that point at all. Chances are they are probably so old it wouldn't even be worth trying anyway.

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post #56 of 131 Old 05-31-2010, 08:02 PM
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ponyboy - your post is bordering on emotional. You essentially did nothing but ramble on about how others were wrong without actually providing any true opinions to my questions. You are still acting like BYB occurs because are profiting -
I don't know where you're reading that. I didn't say that BYB make money. When people have a business that's failing financially they often put their own personal money into it, correct? Chances are that's what these BYB types have always done. But they can only do that to the point where they can't afford to see to their own needs anymore, a point which is more likely to come now that there is no slaughter.

I also wasn't trying to make anti-slaughter arguments in that post. I was pointing out that so far the pro-slaughter arguments I'd heard weren't very sound.

But while we're on the subject... What I'm saying is that considering the lifespan of a horse, the slaughter ban has not been around long enough to have an effect on supply and demand yet. Not to mention that the US economy has been in the toilet, a factor which no one seems to be considering. How do you know the large number of unwanted horses right now isn't caused by the economy? I live in a capital city. We're shielded from the worst effects of the recession, and I can tell you without a doubt that horse prices haven't decreased in the slightest around here.

Everyone assumes that over breeding is inevitable, but no one knows for certain because this is the first time a slaughter ban has ever been attempted. Let's give it a fair chance to work, shall we? Consider it an experiment. If there are still the same number of unwanted horses in another 10 years I'll change my tune.

And if the supply of unwanted horses does go down, the entire industry will be better off. Then we'll be able to start slaughter back up again but do it right this time (i.e. the way Britain does it) because of the lower demand. That to me would be the best outcome.
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post #57 of 131 Old 05-31-2010, 08:25 PM
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Their meat doesn't save starving people in third world countries because horse meat is one of the most expensive delicacies you can get. Dirt poor people can't afford it.
Someone else has probably pin pointed this statement already, so sorry but I just need to say it.

The meat is expensive because its hard to come by. You think Mexican and Canadian governments are dumb? Of course they're going to slap a big price tag on something if they can. If the US opened slaughterhouses, it would create competition. Competition creates price drops. Price drops mean more people can afford it. In addition, more meat means lower prices--the money is made on volume.

That is all.
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post #58 of 131 Old 05-31-2010, 09:18 PM
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Im pro slaughter because all da pwety horseys ned a exape frm al da evil ppl out der!
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post #59 of 131 Old 05-31-2010, 09:44 PM Thread Starter
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Im pro slaughter because all da pwety horseys ned a exape frm al da evil ppl out der!
I think this is my favorite post in the whole thread. =P

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post #60 of 131 Old 05-31-2010, 09:46 PM
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It makes me wanna be evil and draw a little kid saying it. >__>;;;

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