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post #61 of 131 Old 05-31-2010, 10:57 PM
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Someone else has probably pin pointed this statement already, so sorry but I just need to say it.

The meat is expensive because its hard to come by. You think Mexican and Canadian governments are dumb? Of course they're going to slap a big price tag on something if they can. If the US opened slaughterhouses, it would create competition. Competition creates price drops. Price drops mean more people can afford it. In addition, more meat means lower prices--the money is made on volume.

That is all.
Also it is only select cuts of meat that are expensive delicacies. Not all cuts are created equal. There are cheap cuts on a horse just like on a cow.

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post #62 of 131 Old 05-31-2010, 10:59 PM
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I think this is my favorite post in the whole thread. =P
Im just sick of all the Slaughter threads beating it into the ground. Iv explained my opinion way too many times on the subject. So i summed it up in a way that the anti-slaughter people would understand
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post #63 of 131 Old 06-01-2010, 10:03 AM
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No responses addressing my point about the economy? I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

I'll say it one more time: The belief that over breeding is inevitable is pure speculation. So is my belief that it isn't. The difference is that I acknowledge that and I have stated I would be willing to change my opinion if given adequate proof to the contrary.

So who is being the mature person here?

I will conclude by saying that if you're really that concerned about all these unwanted horses, put your money and/or your time where your mouth is and help out. There's more than one way to end the life of an unwanted horse. I have donated to the closest rescue and the SPCA, and I don't even have a job! I would volunteer too if I had access to a vehicle.

Even if you believe slaughter is the only answer, how many of you are campaigning for its reinstatement? I have done everything I can to help unwanted horses. Can you say the same?
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post #64 of 131 Old 06-01-2010, 10:15 AM
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Horses are livestock. Period. Just because my horse is a pet to me, does not mean they are not livestock.

Slaughter gives a functional end use to an animal that otherwise would be a burden.

And you can not say it is not a burden. Euthanasia and disposal is expensive unless you have the options that people like Kevin have.

But really, why waste all that perfectly good meat?

I think we as a country are missing the boat on all the cats and dogs we euthanize too. We should find a way to process them for meat and sell them to countries that consume such things.
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post #65 of 131 Old 06-01-2010, 10:45 AM
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Just another thought, I only found out recently that horse slaughter is banned here in the US (yes, I was a little slow to catch on). Back home in Australia thousands of horses are slaughtered each year (I just googled the number and found an estimate at 40,000). Whilst many of these horses were no doubt beautiful and had potential to be re homed for any amount of uses, the simple fact is that there were not enough homes for them to go to.

One of the things differences between Australia and the US is that you do not have the volume of starving and neglected horses that you see here in the US. Just driving around the general Houston/Austin/Dallas area I have seen more neglected horses than I EVER saw ANYWHERE back home (not saying it doesn't happen, just saying it is far less common). Do I think they deserve to be slaughtered? Of course not. However they also do not deserve to be abandoned in a small paddock with little or no feed with no hoof care or medical assistance.

I think the racing industry has a lot to answer for in terms of churning out high volumes of horses with little regard to their future beyond the racetrack.

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post #66 of 131 Old 06-01-2010, 11:30 AM
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Ponyboy, I wont readdress my opinions nor will I argue with someone who hasn't a clue. While horses are fun and beautiful and intellegent, for most people, they are a business. I don't think you fully grasp that concept.
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post #67 of 131 Old 06-01-2010, 11:56 AM
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I'll say it one more time: The belief that over breeding is inevitable is pure speculation. So is my belief that it isn't. The difference is that I acknowledge that and I have stated I would be willing to change my opinion if given adequate proof to the contrary.
How is life with your head in the sand?


Look at it this way, how many years have there been very public campaigns trying to reduce the over population issues with dogs and cats? Lets just agree that it has been a VERY long time.
And there is still an issue with too many cats and dogs.

What makes you think ending slaughter will make people breed horses responsibly?

Heck, there are threads all over this forum with irresponsible breeding and people not be taking appropriate actions.
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post #68 of 131 Old 06-01-2010, 12:20 PM
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I'm a fence sitter on this issue.

One - Craigs list is a great resource for demographics on BYB's who should need a license to procreate (both personally and for their horses). Crap breeding crap .. wonderful. Slaughter for the bi-products of bad breeding, over breeding or the "oops" factor is so extremely sad and this area should be addressed for controls.

Two - the reality of having to put down a favorite pet, working animal, sick horse, old horse or just a horse that isn't a good sale candidtae is just that .. reality.

Three - does anyone, even the kings of TB's in Kentucky actually make money at the breeding game anymore? Seems to me its a crap shoot on all levels. I just wish people would back off so that supply and demand catch up.

Four - my problem isn't so much with slaughter as it is with the process leading up to slaughter. We've all seen the double decker trucks and the accidents and the images are graphic and revolting whether you are fore or against slaughter. We've all seen photos of the feedlot auction houses where horses hobble on three legs, have kick injuries, don't have enough meat on them to feed a fat dog, let alone a starving family of four in Darfur.

IN MY REAL WORLD - slaughter (and that is such a terrible choice of names) should be available, inspected, and regulated. It should be a viable option for horse owners/breeders that would allow them direct access to euthinasia for animals that can't be taken care of anylonger, for whatever reason. Drive up to the door (make an appointment if necessary), have a handler quietly walk the horse (if possible) into a stall and have the kill done quietly, calmly, and efficiently.

Once the soul has left the body the reality is that you have a carcass in front of you that could be used in several ways. You've kindly removed the burden of life from your horse and he/she is no longer a horse. Emotionally sad, but a fact.

I vilify those who "dump" their problem in a sales/auction house who don't have the courage to personally make the decision. That by driving away, they no longer need to feel responsible for what happens next 'cause they didn't have anything to do with it. These are the people who need to be smacked up side of the head and be told to wake up.

For the US to close and ban slaughter houses (still hate that word) was a huge mistake. It just made it a much more prolonged and sad path to a reality.

For me, the reality is having our horses have the chance to say goodbye to each other and with me or their owner, quietly walking them to a final safe place and having the vet put them to sleep. When the soul has left, the carcass is removed and we bury the halter and a braid from the tail in our memory garden. I could no sooner put my horse on the truck to go to a feedlot or auction than I could dump my dog in the street to fend for itself.

Phew .. my two cents.
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I will conclude by saying that if you're really that concerned about all these unwanted horses, put your money and/or your time where your mouth is and help out. There's more than one way to end the life of an unwanted horse. I have donated to the closest rescue and the SPCA, and I don't even have a job! I would volunteer too if I had access to a vehicle.

Even if you believe slaughter is the only answer, how many of you are campaigning for its reinstatement? I have done everything I can to help unwanted horses. Can you say the same?
And what are you doing ponyboy? If you want to help, sell your house, buy a piece of land, live in a tent on it and bring all of the mistreated horses there. Thats DOING something, even if its ridiculous.

If theres a pro-slaughter campaign, point me to it and I'll join it. I've donated money to appropriate rescues and I've taken time to volunteer for dog, cat, and horse shelters. I've donated money quite a few times as well, and I donate every chance I get. But unfortunately, having a big heart is not enough, because people think that they need to inhabit every square inch of the planet, and leave nothing for the animals.

Didn't Australia a few years back (or maybe they currently do) have a problem with the wild rabbit population? What do you think they did to combat that, ponyboy, put them all in a box and sell them to little girls outside supermarkets? Nope, they killed them dead. Everyone in this country who wants a horse and can afford one, has one, or however many they can afford, sometimes even one more then they can afford because we like them so much. The human resources have been spent, so I'd personally rather see the horses killed humanely then starve to death or be sent to god knows where to be hacked at and beaten.
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post #70 of 131 Old 06-01-2010, 01:57 PM
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It matters not what state the economy is, the world will still turn. There will still be horses that are being bred and horses that are unwanted.

If the economy really mattered, then I would have seen a decrease in customers while I was working at Subway... but nope. I'm pretty sure we earned more in the recession than we did before it happened... and people could have gone to cheaper places to get their food.

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