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post #71 of 131 Old 06-01-2010, 03:01 PM
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post #72 of 131 Old 06-01-2010, 03:08 PM
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Haha. It's the only reference I got at the moment. XD But, seriously... there were times I felt like I was going to die 'cause I probably served 25 or so people by myself per hour... The only thing that was bad for me working there was that either there were too many staff members (most who didn't do anything) or there weren't enough (and I still had to do most of everything)... and the manager was really bad so we did lose income... just... the recession didn't have much of an effect.

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Ponyboy horses are a business maybe youd understand that better if you were actually involved in horses, which you are not.
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post #74 of 131 Old 06-01-2010, 04:59 PM
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these are pretty much all the reason i am pro slaughter theres is 100,000 unwanted horses in this country alone, i pray for the day slaughter houses re open, if there were slaughter houses in the u.s like they where before they would be regulated and aproved by the AVMA not to mention we wouldnt be shipping and hauling that many horses for that long of a distance keeping them in better health and in more comfortable statuses. there is also the issue of all the third world countries not being able to eat their beef because of mad cow deases, anf if we allowed slaughter houses to reopen we would be able to that profit into the 14 billion dollad pet food industry because horse meat in a 100 times better then beef and lame, thats why before people where boycoting the zoos and big cat sancuaries horse meat was being fed to our wild cats so they cuold get almost the same nutrionail value that they get in the wild. this is way horse slaughter should be rejoyed not rejected

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post #75 of 131 Old 06-01-2010, 05:48 PM Thread Starter
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I think the economy is irrelevant to the BYB situation, honestly. These people that are over-breeding aren't thinking about the economy, they are thinking about the $50 they get for their cute little foal, because some soft-hearted animal lover came by and had to get it out of that situation. But soft-hearted animal lover also has five dogs, a dozen cats, two lizards, three birds, and a camel. All of whom came from a simlar situation. Eventually, someone has to go, and soft-hearted animal lover realizes the horse is the most expensive, so off goes the used-to-be-cute-weanling-but-now-is-a-pushy-two-year-old-stud-colt to the next person with an ego bigger than Texas but hasn't a clue. So down the line this horse goes, owner to owner, never learning anything and just becoming a bigger, larger pain in the ***. By the time the horse is 12, it's stick thin with elf feet and hasn't seen a drop of water in weeks. Are people really so naive to believe that doesn't happen?

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post #76 of 131 Old 06-01-2010, 09:45 PM
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Im pro slaughter because all da pwety horseys ned a exape frm al da evil ppl out der!
I'm probably more anti-slaughter than I am pro-slaughter and I find that offensive. Are many people anti-slaughter because they can't handle the idea of their pet being killed for someone else to eat? Yes. Does that mean that these people only comprehend ridiculous baby talk? No. So if you'd like to make a comment regarding being pro-slaughter using proper english and spelling I'd be happy to give you a legible response.

I'm not from the USA but one of the main reasons I'm anti-slaughter is because of the lack of regulations.

I've seen the photos of horses when they come off the double decker CATTLE trucks (if the horses even make it off at all), I've seen the trampled foals, the horses with half a leg, the horses with half a face and all sorts of horrific injuries. One argument I've seen throughout this thread for slaughter is that it's HUMANE. Tell me what about those injuries sounds humane to you?

YES, there is an overpopulation of horses, YES slaughter is one way of dealing with it, but I'm of the belief that if you're too cheap to pay for the euthanasia of your old/crippled/lame/useless horse when it is of no further use to you - you are too cheap to own a horse. Go online and play horseland. At least that's free.

Now, I'm not a "bleeding heart" who thinks that homes can magikally be found for all the unwanted horses out there (who coincidentally are mostly bred by people who mustn't have IQ's out of the double digits), but in order for me to support slaughter the following things NEED to be fixed:

- Regulations regarding medications. A previous poster said that most horses going to slaughter are unwanted so probably haven't been wormed/buted etc. in their life. That may be the case for a small minority of horses, but the facts are, a lot of horses that go to slaughter WERE cared for at some point in their lives. This means they WERE wormed, they WERE buted when they were injured and they ARE unsafe for human consumption. That's what the warning labels on the medications are for! So until there is some way of ensuring that this contaminated meat isn't used for human consumption, I'll be anti-slaughter.

- Regulations regarding transport. I don't care how "unwanted" or "useless" these horses are - there is NOTHING humane about horses being trampled to death and mutilated because they have been transported in CATTLE trailers. Horses ARE NOT cattle. Sure it's "economical" for the slaughterhouses and kill buyers to transport this way, because hey! if the horse is dead when it arrives that's less work for us! So until horses can be transported humanely in horse-safe trailers to the slaughterhouses, I'll be anti-slaughter.

- Regulations regarding slaughtering. I've seen the youtube videos, I've seen the photos. It may not happen in the majority of cases, but then again it may. I will NEVER be pro-slaughter until a humane way of slaughtering horses is put into place and REGULATED. I remember reading an article on the fur trade, one farm kills the foxes using an electric bar, the foxes (having never been handled) when presented with this bar, bite onto it and BAM dead. To me, that is more humane than using a captive bolt/shotgun operated by someone without proper training. The captive bolt was designed for cattle, which by nature are a lot less skittish than horses when packed into crushes (meat cattle are packed into crushes regularly throughout their lives for dehorning, dipping, vet treatment. Feral/untrained horses? Not so much) I have no qualms about an experienced person killing a horse with a single bullet to the head, but this MUST BE REGULATED.

So to reiterate my above essay for those who don't want to read through the whole thing - I am anti-slaughter, but only because of the inhumane treatment of the horses on the way to and in the slaughterhouses. If any pro-slaughter people can give me examples of places where there is evidence of regulation and humane treatment I'm happy to re-examine my views, but until then, I'll stick to my opinion.

Like I wrote at the top of my post, I'm happy to debate and discuss the topic as I believe it's worthy of discussion, but it really doesn't help your cause when you mock people with a different belief to you.

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I am going to assume that since you live on the other side of the planet that if you have been to this country you have not spent any time touring slaughter houses. I have been in several of all different sizes and while I have seen some ignorance and a few accidents I have seen very little cruelty. The people that work at slaughter houses just want to do thier jobs and go home. I have also seen the videos on youtube and quite frankly I have seen far worse abuses when novices are trying to load horses in trailers than in those clips that PETA selected out of thousands of hours of tape to make thier 5 minute video. Accidents happen but they are rare. The people that buy slaughter horses don't want thier horses ripping off a leg or getting stomped to death and you can bet if it happens regularly something would change.

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Yes, I admitted in post I was on the other side of the world and have no first hand experience with slaughterhouses. I don't support PETA at all - I'm of the opinion that they are completely over the top and I don't support the way they go about "educating" people.

Like I said above - I'm happy to re-examine my opinion if someone can give me PROOF, photos, videos, reports, articles. If there are inspections going on and places are approved and passing there WILL be a paper trail. Having said that I have little to no opinion on the way Mexican slaugterhouses are operated - the MULTITUDE of videos I have seen regarding that are not from 1 or 2 occurences.

I also don't remember stating anything regarding the employees of the slaughterhouses in my post, I have nothing against them just doing their jobs my problem is with the methods used, ESPECIALLY in transporting the horses. While I highly doubt the transporters are being intentionally cruel, the fact remains that double decker trucks are NOT designed to transport horses and "accidents" will happen when they're used.

So, kevinshorses I'd be interested to see something that backs up your opinion that the slaughterhouses are humane because like I said I'm not averse to changing my opinion, if presented with facts to the contrary

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To reiterate on transportation. It would NOT be as bad if the US horse slaughterhouses weren't closed. Now they have to be shipped to Mexico, where they don't have the regulations that the US did. Not to mention it's a longer trip. If the "horse-lovers" that got the plants closed hadn't done it, we would still have how many slaughterhouses for horses? And maybe made more?

Also, you can't take any factual information from a PETA video. Sorry. PETA caters to a very specific person, with the intention of showing just what those persons need to see to sign the petition PETA wants signed. Lots of filming goes into those videos, lots of editing, lots of, believe it or not, LIES. Honestly, you have no idea that these aren't hired people to get jobs at a slaughterhouse to accidently on purpose do something. PETA and YouTube are not reliable sources of information. Try using them in a college paper. It won't work.

Edited to reply: How can we get articles/videos/pictures of how the US slaughterhouses WERE humane when none of them are open?

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post #80 of 131 Old 06-01-2010, 10:43 PM
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I do believe one of the first things I posted in my previous reply was "I don't support PETA at all - I'm of the opinion that they are completely over the top and I don't support the way they go about "educating" people."

There are many covert videos online findable via a general google search, and yes they have most likely been edited, are you trying to tell me that if there was a video of a completely regulation compliant slaughterhouse that they wouldn't have edited out any footage to the contrary?

I also wouldn't liken this thread to a college paper, especially due to the one track opinion of many of the posters. I'm sure if Canadian slaughterhouses are compliant (which from a previous reply I believe someone said 3 out of 4 of them WEREN'T) there would be proof of this. If there is proof of the bad, then theoretically there is proof of the good.

The closure of the American slaughterhouses is really a whole 'nother can of worms, and I'm sure it wasn't just the "horse-lovers" who got the plants closed, if it were that easy you'd think the "animal-lovers" would have gotten decent penalties for animal cruelty and neglect by now but that hasn't happened. I'd be interested to know the underlying factors behind the closure of the American slaughterhouses though.

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