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post #81 of 131 Old 06-01-2010, 09:47 PM
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So, kevinshorses I'd be interested to see something that backs up your opinion that the slaughterhouses are humane because like I said I'm not averse to changing my opinion, if presented with facts to the contrary
Every U.S. slaughterhouse is USDA inspected and has been for 50+ years. That is a fact. Thier reports are not released to everyone so I have no access to them. If you want to see them you're going to have to get them yourself. I don't know that I would call anything that ends with a dead horse humane but they are as painless as possible. Again I just know what I saw and even if I had video it wouldn't change anyones mind. As far as your opinion goes I really could care less about changing it. If you want to cure the ignorance then work harder and find the proof you need. Go to a slaughterhouse. Watch trucks unloading horses. visit a horse feedlot. YOU educate YOURSELF and don't depend on others to do it for you.

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post #82 of 131 Old 06-01-2010, 09:52 PM
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Canada's regulations are fine (far as I know, I'd have to do research on that... maybe on my day off I will. ;])

The people doing the imposing of said regulations... aren't so much. They let a lot slip under the radar until one comes along that's all "Hey, wait... this isn't right." and then the people get investigated and fined.

It's the same with various other things in Canada, like our housing issue... we have houses that inspectors pass and then fall down on the new owners.

And our food issue.
Only our food issue got fixed (if anyone heard the story of Maple Leaf Foods... I respect them a lot because of how they handled the crisis a couple years back)

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In America slaughter houses are regulated. A majority of the clips and or photos of HORRBILE IN HUMANE MEANIE-HEADED SLAUGHTER HOUSES are infact from other countries such as Mexico, who has no regulations. Also a majority of those clips/photos are from illegal slaughter mills.
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post #84 of 131 Old 06-01-2010, 09:55 PM Thread Starter
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Every U.S. slaughterhouse is USDA inspected and has been for 50+ years. That is a fact. Thier reports are not released to everyone so I have no access to them. If you want to see them you're going to have to get them yourself. I don't know that I would call anything that ends with a dead horse humane but they are as painless as possible. Again I just know what I saw and even if I had video it wouldn't change anyones mind. As far as your opinion goes I really could care less about changing it. If you want to cure the ignorance then work harder and find the proof you need. Go to a slaughterhouse. Watch trucks unloading horses. visit a horse feedlot. YOU educate YOURSELF and don't depend on others to do it for you.
This!

But again, the US slaughter houses aren't open. You can watch the Mexican and Canadian slaughter houses at work all you want [and although I didn't specifically say this in my first post, I meant the US plants] but I'm talking about [and most everyone else] the US plants that were closed and WHY that was a bad thing. The US isn't Canada or Mexico, it has different rules and regulations that you can no longer check up on because they are CLOSED, and as Kevin said, they don't just release information willy nilly.

ETA: Delete hit the nail on the head. Just because the writing on the video says it's in the US doesn't mean it is. The US takes their rules pretty seriously for the most part.

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post #85 of 131 Old 06-01-2010, 10:06 PM
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I'm sorry kevinshorses but I find your reply quite rude. I was genuinely interested in any evidence that would show contrary to what I've seen myself, and being from Australia (where we have these nifty Freedom of Information laws, making a lot of things accessible) I wasn't aware that such things in the USA were un-accessible. I (obviously naively) believed that such reports would be viewable in the same way you can view how a certain restaurant or cafe performed in its food safety audits.

I also find it odd that when presented with someone who wants to learn why you think a certain way and being open to learning why your response basically comes down to "it's not MY responsibility to help educate you" which is coincidentally why the USA has such a horse overpopulation problem at the present because it's NOT MY PROBLEM. To me, your reply was basically pointless and added nothing to the thread.

I have, infact, searched for an article of some sort explaining the reasons behind the closing of the slaughterhouses in the US because, if as you say, they were USDA compliant for over 50 years it would seem there was no real reason for closing the slaughterhouses other than public backlash. Probably not coincidentally, the only articles I could find on the subject were either on Wikipedia or on websites of horse rescues and neither gave a reason for the bill being passed.

Jhinnua, are reports on inspections accessible by the public in Canada or would you have to "find them youself" as kevinshorse said?

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I'm going to have to check that out and get back to you. I know more about US law than Canada half the time. (I have a lot of friends from the US and we talk a lot about their issues) Generally Canada is more lax in allowing freedom of info I think, but... the government is weird sometimes.

In my home town, for instance, the municipality forced a really good candy shop to close (he fought if for 5 years and was finally like "F**k it") because he wouldn't take down a fake exterior wall, because it didn't go with the rest of the town's style... but looked really good anyway.

And they wouldn't allow a couple who immigrated from England to have a wooden sign hanging from their shop to give it a more 'old brit' flare... even though our town is supposed to be themed 'old Britain'. I'm pretty sure the new municipality changed the rules for that though.

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Ah yes, good old governments - when I was younger they closed down an AWESOME park behind our local shops because a girl was standing up on the flying fox, fell off and broke her arm. The parent's sued. The council closed it down. It's off topic but seriously? Who sues over a kid falling off something (when it was their own fault anyway) and gets a kid's playground closed down?

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The same people who sue after breaking into someones house and getting bitten by the family dog. X]

Or break in and twist their ankle slipping on ice in the driveway...

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I'm sure the records are accessible if you wanted to search through the piles of records to find the violations. Here is how the USDA works. There is a huge book that details how every single thing in a plant is to be done. This includes how to unload the animals to loading the boxes of meat on a truck. When an inspector sees something that does not follow the Standard Operating Procedures or SOP's the inspector can either informally suggest it get changed or he/she can write up a non-compliance report or NR. When an NR is written the plant has usually 24 hours to either fix the problem or show what they are doing to resolve it (sometimes there are mechanical or building failures that can't be resolved in 24 hrs). Some things have to be resolved immediately or operations are halted. There are several NR's daily in any plant. They range from condensation on the ceiling to dirty boots in a locker room to rough handling of the animals. Inspectors don't write reports about how wonderfully the animals are handled so the only reports you will see is the ones where things were not in compliance. You can wait for someone to spoon feed you information or you can go out and get it for yourself. I'm sorry if that sounds rude but that's the way the world works. I prefer to do my own research and witness things with my own eyes before I take a firm stand.

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Thanks kevinshorses that was helpful information. Like I said, I'm located over 11,000kms away so I'm not in a position to see first hand what the slaughterhouses were like. From my experience of Australian salesyards however, and the treatment of animals in them, coupled with what I've read/viewed online of American salesyards I think the cases of neglect and cruelty that come through each is comparable.

That's another reason I'm anti-slaughter, I think it does just as much to contribute to the animal abuse/neglect problem as it does to stop it - some of the horses I've seen dumped at auctions and run through are in despicable condition and the owners get off scot free with a nice little profit in their pocket.

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