Wild Horses & Burros Vs. Private Dometic Live Stock on Public Lands - Page 53 - The Horse Forum
View Poll Results: Public Land Use
Wild Horses and Burros 5 38.46%
Private Livestock 2 15.38%
Indigenous Native Species 9 69.23%
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post #521 of 680 Old 10-16-2019, 04:41 PM
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The state wildlife in Alabama says that there are no cougars here. Two years ago a night watchman at a lumber yard saw one. He reported it and they found tracks in the mud. Paper showed pictures of the tracks. But state said that for it to be a confirmed sighting, there had to be two people to see it. So, per the state, we still have no cougars in Alabama. My wife and I have both seen one.
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I've seen at least three in northwest Iowa. I've seen tracks several times, too. They still tell me they don't exist. "It was probably a deer."

Deer don't have long tails, nor do they leave big pawprints with no nail marks. I lived in Montana several years. I know what a cougar looks like, and I know what deer, lynx, coyotes, and housecats look like, too.

A local man had one of his horses clawed up by a cougar a couple of years ago-- he heard a racket in the barn, went out, and found his 4 y.o. stud horse frantic in his pen streaming blood, with cat tracks all around in the mud. The mares and foals in with him were huddled in the back of the shed, afraid but unhurt. The stallion had big, raking claw marks on the shoulders and flanks. The DNR guy got there at the same time as the vet. DNR said it must be coyotes or dogs. The vet rolled his eyes and said no way that was dogs or coyotes, and if it wasn't a cougar, he didn't want to meet the housecat that did that damage... it had to be a good-sized cougar to even bother with a mature stallion, but the stud was likely protecting the mares and foals and took the brunt of the attack.

The horse recovered, but never tolerated anyone on his back again, and with good reason. He threw some really nice foals, and they lost him a few months ago to a lightning strike.
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hard to like the end of that story.
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post #524 of 680 Old 10-16-2019, 09:57 PM Thread Starter
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The Lion Whisperís Thor lion died by a lightening strike. Who knew lightening killed so many. Scary and very sad.

SilverMaple you must write a book! Please. You have so many great stories that need to be shared with a larger audience. IMO.
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I am very ambivalent about coyotes. I like them. I think they are, ummm, pretty. But fact is, anywhere out West if you have a small dog, better keep them in at night. And that's not to say they won't get grabbed in broad daylight.


And ranchers do loose baby calves to coyotes. So what city or suburban dwellers need to seriously ask themselves is: "How many paychecks would I be willing to loose to coyotes before I began thinking about putting a stop to it."


That's basically where it is with the ranchers. Yes, the coyotes were here first. Nearly everything was here before us. We really need to walk a mile, or two, in someone else's shoes before we decide what they should do.


A person needs to think about how many of their own paychecks they would give up to save coyotes because that's exactly where it's at with the ranchers.


That said, I have never killed or shot at a coyote although I've had many chances. I doubt I would unless one was attacking one of my animals.
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A beautiful old tree with a hawk's nest was removed because the woman was afraid the hawk would eat her pet rabbit that she lets loose under the tree.

People save domestic cats just to let them roam loose catching birds.

If the ranchers allowed the coyotes an animal or two, the coyote populations might stabilize, and the coyotes would likely stay away from domestic animals?

You Westerns keep crying about wild animals, but isn't that why you live where you live?

I'm just saying that if we kill all of the wild because we fear for our domestics, is that the future we want for the planet? Only domestic and all wild living in rescues and sanctuaries.

You're right; I do not make my living off the land, and I do not live in a rural area surrounded by wild animals. Hard to say what I would do or how I would feel.
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When wolves were reintroduced at various locations, the ranchers were compensated financially for livestock confirmed to be killed by wolves.


So who do you suggest would pay for the livestock killed by coyotes if protected?


RE: You Westerns keep crying about wild animals, but isn't that why you live where you live?


Comment: First, with the mobility that now exists in the US, I'm not convinced Westerner is any longer a valid term with meaning if it ever was. Second, most people living generally in the West, or anywhere in the US for that matter are in cities far removed from wild animals.


I suspect your intent was to address those preferring and living in rural areas. There are a lot of those in the Eastern US but possibly more in the Western US.



In either case, from my perspective I see two types of rural residents. Those who make their living, or part of it, off the land and those who prefer the rural social life that exists in less dense population areas.


Neither category prefers necessarily being around wild animals, although some may enjoy them as I do. But I consider myself in the minority.


And finally, most "Predator Hunters" are weekend warriors out of the city looking to enjoy their particular sense of fun in the country. They have quads and dress up in fancy hunting attire with various high end electronic gadgets including night vision binoculars to lay siege to coyotes and other unprotected predators including the jackrabbit which is left dead where they are shot. Ironically, that is often food for the continued survival of coyotes.


End of early morning ramblings...........
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post #528 of 680 Old 10-17-2019, 11:15 AM
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A lot of animals and things were not here before man. Including the horse and the wild pig. Along with kudzu, the large snakes in Florida, the honey bee, no telling how many bugs, viruses, etc. I am not including the horse or bees, but most of these things we would better for not being here.
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SilverMaple you must write a book! Please. You have so many great stories that need to be shared with a larger audience. IMO.
I hope to someday! Just have to find the time... between my stories and my dad's, we have the base material for lots of stuff...

It was a sad day when I heard their stallion had been killed. He was nice. I was hoping to get a mare to cross on him, but alas... the same place lost a draft team about 10 years ago to lightning, too-- they were standing inside their run-in when it was struck. Unfortunately, it's pretty common around here to lose livestock that way. We get a lot of severe weather. I worry about my horses every storm, as does anyone with horses, cattle, etc. My mom nearly got struck-- she went out before a storm a couple of years ago to put her car in the garage, and was just opening the car door to get out when "Boom!" a bolt of lightning struck the tree next to the driveway about 20 feet from her, blowing wood and bark and branches everywhere like a bomb. The concussion and debris shattered the windows on the front side of the house, and the back window on her car. Thankfully she was still inside the garage and the car took the brunt of the flying shrapnel and she wasn't hurt. Had she been a few steps farther out, she would have been hit by debris or struck, too. She was pretty shaken up and couldn't hear well for a few days, but thankfully wasn't hurt. Why that tree, we don't know. It wasn't the tallest by any means, and the storm was still quite a ways off, but that doesn't mean lightning is.
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A beautiful old tree with a hawk's nest was removed because the woman was afraid the hawk would eat her pet rabbit that she lets loose under the tree.

People save domestic cats just to let them roam loose catching birds.

If the ranchers allowed the coyotes an animal or two, the coyote populations might stabilize, and the coyotes would likely stay away from domestic animals?

You Westerns keep crying about wild animals, but isn't that why you live where you live?

I'm just saying that if we kill all of the wild because we fear for our domestics, is that the future we want for the planet? Only domestic and all wild living in rescues and sanctuaries.

You're right; I do not make my living off the land, and I do not live in a rural area surrounded by wild animals. Hard to say what I would do or how I would feel.

I'm not sure why this is so hard to get across.

Whether it be wild horses, coyotes or mountain lions, it is NOT about eradicating the entire population. It is about maintaining balance in numbers.

We live in an area where there isn't a huge bear population that would keep the coyote population in check, the numbers get out of control. Hunting coyotes which is not regulated here in NV(unless trapping or selling pelts) helps maintain the numbers as they prey on the deer, elk and sage grouse which are protected.
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