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View Poll Results: Public Land Use
Wild Horses and Burros 5 38.46%
Private Livestock 2 15.38%
Indigenous Native Species 9 69.23%
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post #571 of 680 Old 11-12-2019, 07:57 AM
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Too bad that it's often the most contentious that get the bulk of the attention while rationality is too often pushed to the background.
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Thanks @WildAbtHorses for posting the link to the news story. (kmvt news)


I looked at Wild Love Preserve's website who the founder they interviewed for the story. On her website she says
"Wild Love Preserve has bringing people together in a new light to collectively develop and implement new working solutions which serve to benefit wild horses and the whole. Fluid communications, mutual respect, listening and patience are cornerstone to establishing common ground."


Quite a different tone than the Laura Leighs of Nevada who prefer to throw tantrums. Which I have seen first hand.


Last Sunday while drinking my coffee I watched a program on Idaho PBS, it was more about wolves but same idea of people need a better understanding of both sides and opening communication. Readers Digest version, ranchers of eastern Oregon went to the capital to discuss control of the wolf population, children of a environmental school also showed up. Afterwards a 4H leader from the eastern side of Oregon started a program where kids from the western Oregon environmental school come out to stay for a few days on eastern Oregon ranches with host families during calving season to learn about the lifestyle. In the end both sides learn a lot about each other and shove aside the stereotypes.
I thought it was really great to see rather than trying to shove ideas down each others throats. I know I have been guilty of it ;)

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I really shouldn't say this as there are a lot of wonderful people in California, of which I was one for 20 years plus the first 6 years of my life.


Anyhow, perhaps the difference in attitudes between Nevada and Idaho has to do with the proximity or lack thereof to California. It's easier to make a short trip to Nevada than to Idaho.


Just sharing a thought that popped up from somewhere in my, er, brain............ All in fun!
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Crisis in the West: Americans will soon have a $5 billion wild horse problem and few know about it. An in-depth look at a dilemma called ‘the most wicked natural resource problem facing the West’ By Amy Joi O'[email protected] Oct 23, 2019, 10:10pm MDT

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2019/10...-know-about-it

Editor’s note: This is the first in a series of stories exploring the challenges of managing wild horses in the West and the cost of doing nothing.

“The Deseret News spent eight months interviewing wildlife experts, rangeland ecologists, ranchers, cowboys, rural politicians, scientists and reviewing records with the Bureau of Land Management, which has oversight of the range, and lawsuits to understand this costly problem and what can be done about it.”

“There are 50,000 horses kept in off-range corrals or pastures, with many that have no chance at being adopted into private care because of age or other factors.”

IMO: These are the MUSTANGS we should start providing ETALON Diagnostic testing https://www.etalondx.com
The test results will help Americans help those wild horses being held in captivity.

IMO: William Perry Pendley does not present a complete or accurate picture of the situation. To me, he is more of a bad-politician by distorting facts rather than "let's help solve America's wild horses & burros problem" in an unbiased way and an honest and open way.
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PBS' "How Horses Took Over North America (Twice)"
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A video that goes through 55 million years in 10 quick minutes and confirms that horses are native to North America.

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November 17 Coast to Coast had a 2 hour discussion on this subject. I listened to the whole thing, very informative.
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Thanks!

These are from March 2012 (looking for yesterday’s post):

https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2012/03/18

In the first hour, George Knapp was joined by wildlife ecologist Craig Downer to discuss America's magnificent wild horses that have been unfairly targeted for elimination in what he calls the Wild Horse Conspiracy.

Horse advocate Jerry Reynoldson joined Downer in the second hour, and talked about Madeleine Pickens' eco-sanctuary plan to take 1,000 horses onto 550,000 acres of public land, for less taxpayer money than what the ranchers are currently being paid.
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Hidden Alien Encounters / Wild Horse Advocacy
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In 1971, Congress passed, and President Nixon signed the Wild Free-Roaming Horses and Burros Act after determining wild horses and burros were fast disappearing. But now eight times more BLM land is authorized for livestock than for wild horses. In the latter half, horse advocates Jerry Reynoldson and Greg Hendricks discussed new efforts that are underway to humanely manage wild horse populations using the fertility control vaccine or PZP. The BLM, Reynoldson reported, continues to focus more on helicopter round-ups and penning the horses rather than population control. He pointed out that while there are reportedly some 80,000 wild horses on federal lands, that number is dwarfed by the 18 million cattle that graze on them, but the BLM continues to argue that it's the horses that have the most significant impact. He advocated for public/private partnerships to deal more effectively with the issue.

Hendricks, who formerly worked with the BLM on the wild horse & burro program, is now the Director of Field Operations for the American Wild Horse Campaign. He, too, is concerned over the BLM's transporting and holding of the animals, and the favoring of the ranchers' interests. Hendricks said PZP has successfully been used for thirty years to reduce large populations of various animal species, but volunteer groups are doing more of the administration of the fertility drug than the BLM. The two guests also recommended wild horse adoption programs such as the one run by the Mustang Heritage Foundation. Many of the horses are considered quite gentle after being trained.
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I really shouldn't say this as there are a lot of wonderful people in California, of which I was one for 20 years plus the first 6 years of my life.


Anyhow, perhaps the difference in attitudes between Nevada and Idaho has to do with the proximity or lack thereof to California. It's easier to make a short trip to Nevada than to Idaho.


Just sharing a thought that popped up from somewhere in my, er, brain............ All in fun!

Nevada has been invaded, especially the westside and Vegas. That is why a lot of Nevadans get frustrated, a very concentrated group in the major cities that fled a very poorly run state and still voting the same tend to speak for the rest of us minority living on the majority of the land.

I will just leave it at that. ;)


Unfortunately Idaho is one of the fastest growing states, Boise used to be one the fastest growing cities in the US now Meridian a lot of them Californian transplants.



I think some of the reason the tension isn't as high here is Idaho horse numbers are considerably less to begin with and smaller HMAs along with the original fight started in Nevada. I think there is still a lot of animosity held there.


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Thanks!

These are from March 2012 (looking for yesterday’s post):

https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2012/03/18

In the first hour, George Knapp was joined by wildlife ecologist Craig Downer to discuss America's magnificent wild horses that have been unfairly targeted for elimination in what he calls the Wild Horse Conspiracy.

Horse advocate Jerry Reynoldson joined Downer in the second hour, and talked about Madeleine Pickens' eco-sanctuary plan to take 1,000 horses onto 550,000 acres of public land, for less taxpayer money than what the ranchers are currently being paid.

I will have to check that out since Madeleine's sanctuary was close.
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