Wild Horses & Burros Vs. Private Dometic Live Stock on Public Lands - Page 59 - The Horse Forum
View Poll Results: Public Land Use
Wild Horses and Burros 5 38.46%
Private Livestock 2 15.38%
Indigenous Native Species 9 69.23%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 13. You may not vote on this poll

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post #581 of 604 Old 11-18-2019, 09:32 PM
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Unfortunately Idaho is one of the fastest growing states, Boise used to be one the fastest growing cities in the US now Meridian a lot of them Californian transplants.

I just read an article the other day where a mayoral candidate in Boise was running on a platform of keep california out.


I can't say much as I retired from california.
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Madeleine Pickens' eco-sanctuary
https://www.mustangmonument.com

“The eco-resort that's taking on the government to save America's wild mustangs” By Sue Watt, travel writer 30 MAY 2019
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/d...stangs-nevada/

Velvet [a rescued wild horse] is one of the lucky ones. Along with 600 other horses, her home is Mustang Monument in north-eastern Nevada, a luxury eco-resort on a ranch which, at 900 square miles, is around the size of the Lake District National Park. It is owned by ardent animal lover and philanthropist Madeleine Pickens, who seeks to preserve equine heritage through her foundation Saving America’s Mustangs. She hotly disputes the government figures, believing they are greatly exaggerated to justify mass killings.*

Note: Pickens, a wealthy philanthropist, is the ex-wife of T. Boone Pickens, who once sought to take over Newmont Mining Corp., including its mines in Nevada.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madele...ent_Eco-Resort
“Although she has purchased several hundred horses at risk of slaughter and maintains them on the private lands of the ranches, in 2014 Saving America's Mustangs leased the Spruce Allotment grazing permit to the Spruce Grazing Association that instead grazes cows. On December 21, 2017, the BLM announced it would be rounding up horses in the area of the Spruce allotment. On August 25, 2018, the BLM announced an emergency gather of 300 horses at Boone Spring within the allotment.”


An aside and IMO: I would love to hire Etalon to run diagnostics on ALL of America's wild horses. I think Etalon Diagnostics could be the paragon shift --the catalyst for a positive solution for our Mustangs. https://www.etalondx.com
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I just read an article the other day where a mayoral candidate in Boise was running on a platform of keep california out.


I can't say much as I retired from california.
If I lived in Boise, I'd vote..lol

I too spent most of my childhood in northern California. It sickens me how it is being run.
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You keep digging up a lot of stuff that I was unaware of. I for one appreciate reading about it. Keep digging!
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An aside and IMO: I would love to hire Etalon to run diagnostics on ALL of America's wild horses. I think Etalon Diagnostics could be the paragon shift --the catalyst for a positive solution for our Mustangs.
The sketchy reputation of that lab aside, what exact testing do you think would help the mustangs? I don't see how knowing the exact genetics of the coat color of the horse or possible recessive diseases its carrying would make any difference as the last thing needed is people breeding more..
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phantomhorse13 are you on a Mustang? what a great picture!

Why I think testing Mustangs today will be the catalyst in resolving America's wild horses' predicament.

If a reliable and reputable diagnosis company ran comprehensive genetic and health-related tests IMO, it would be beneficial for humans, horses, and eventually the eco-system.

Running tests on each wild horse in the United States would provide us with tools to better manage the overall health of individual animals and herds. The results would provide data for research studies that may help future generations of Americans make the correct and appropriate decisions on individual horses and their herds.

IMO: To know the following would allow Americans to address each issue (we want healthy horses in the wild and in captivity) and the test results would provide future owners or overseers with knowledge on their horse(s):
Immune System
Muscle Disorders
Reproductive Disorders
Skin and Hoof Disorders
Trait Genetics
Uveitis
Laminitis
Squamous Cell Carcinoma
Tiger Eye
White Line (hoof)

IMO: The 50 years of the on-going wild horses & burros situation does not appear to have an agreed-upon pending viable solution. So we have to, at least, do something that will provide our descendants with "tools" (i.e., research data) that may help them resolve this complex issue.
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IMO: The wild horses of America have presented the citizens of the United States with a very complicated situation. How do mere mortals play God and get it right? Trust in the Universe but not in man?


Ecologist Craig Downer: Open Letter to BLM Re: Cloud’s Herd by Jfinch April 2013

“oppose the intensified use of PZP on the Pryor Mountain wild horses”

“The logic is this: those mares who fail to achieve pregnancy quickly become disaffected with their band stallions and go off with other stallions in their futile attempts to achieve pregnancy. Similarly the stallions become desperate in their repeated futile attempts to impregnate the mares. This leads to widespread discontent and disruption, both within and between the wild horse bands composing the Pryor Mountain – as any – herd. This results in the serious neglect by adults of their duties to educate the younger members of their bands who are not as inhibited in their breeding as before. These immature individuals attempt to breed prematurely when the social units are in disarray. If intact they would be learning the very important lessons for survival in the demanding Pryor Mountain ecosystem, with its harsh winters, etc. As the effect of PZP wanes and some mares come back into a fertile condition, many give birth out of the normal Spring and early Summer birthing season, even in the late Fall or Winter when cold and storms cause them to greatly suffer and even die, along with their offspring.”

https://www.habitatforhorses.org/eco...e-clouds-herd/
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Genetic study of Chilcotin’s wild horses finds surprising links to Siberia
LARRY PYNN, VANCOUVER SUN 01.07.2015

Genetic study of Chilcotin?s wild horses finds surprising links to Siberia

“ An estimated 1,000 wild horses are thought to exist in B.C.’s Chilcotin plateau, with up to about 215 of those in the remote Brittany Triangle.”

Fascinating!
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phantomhorse13 are you on a Mustang? what a great picture!

Running tests on each wild horse in the United States would provide us with tools to better manage the overall health of individual animals and herds.
Thank you for the compliment. That is Sultan, an Arabian, carrying me over Cougar Rock (a famous part of the Tevis Cup 100 mile endurance ride in California). In recent years, mustangs have had good showings there, with several achieving top 10 finishes and winning Best Condition.


I agree having information on individual health could help manage the horses, but how would you suggest getting samples from all the horses and who is going to foot the bill for it? And even finding a money source and a way to get the samples, do you think all the advocacy groups are going to agree to such extreme human intervention?
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Again, to me, and possibly only to me, a Mustang can be any breed including an Arabian with the only requirement for Mustang status that the horse was born and raised in the wild within a wild herd during the time of feet, bone, ligament, and muscle development.


Be nice to see those top ten finishes in Tevis widely advertised. Might help in the recognition and placement of more Mustangs.

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