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post #21 of 34 Old 09-26-2011, 10:07 PM
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I would pass just simply by the fact that she's that old and in that bad of condition. For your first horse you don't need to be rehabbing it. Plus you don't know how healthy she really is, you might set yourself up for heartbreak if she turns out to be in really bad condition inside. I would pass and look for one a bit younger, 10 to 15 range. Something you can enjoy now and for longer.
And if you do decide you want her, get a vet check. A horse at my barn who was just recently bought failed one today, beautiful young healthy looking horse. He's lame. Your trainer also sounds sketchy.
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post #22 of 34 Old 09-27-2011, 06:32 AM
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I agree, you don't need a horse that may...OR MAY NOT suit your needs when she recovers. Is this a "resale" through your trainer? I'm just surprised a trainer would take you this route, personally.
I agree with it. While I'm ALL for rescuing a horse from the bad situation (heck, I have 2 of my own), it really depends on level of your experience and how long you want to wait. I've seen plenty of time the horse nursed back to health becomes way too handful, especially for the beginner rider (not saying you are the beginner, just saying in general ).

Personally unless you have a confidence and willing to wait I'd back off and look for an older, calm, BTDT, ridable(!) horse. With the market as it is now it shouldn't be a problem to find one quite cheap.




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post #23 of 34 Old 09-27-2011, 08:50 AM Thread Starter
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Well, I saw her. She wasn't in as bad of condition as in the picture. Apparently her last owners simply "didn't want to feed her". Her legs are straight, no splintering, no bad sway back... Her hooves are in mint condition, she eats like a champ, her teeth are good, especially for her age, her eyes are clear, there are no scars on her legs, no bumps that signalled melanoma, and other than being all around neglected she seems to be in great condition. We put her with a green broke to see how she is with other horses, and she backs down to her with the food, so maybe the previous owners simply didn't feed the horses, and when there was food, she got pushed off fairly quickly. My trainer did say that if I didn't get her, they would for their little girl. Which we did have the little girl sit on her, and Sariel didn't mind or move one bit.

I am having a vet come out today to check her over and get a professional opinion on her health.

She seems trained. She backed out of the trailer with no one leading her, she picks up her feet when you tap her leg, she turns, backs, and listens very well with her neck. She walks very nicely, but after walking her a little, she was more interested in the hay, grass and mineral block. She used to be a barrel racer, and trail horse or so we were told. I am confident that if I get an okay from the vet, that I can get her into tip top condition. If she turns out to be a bit fiesty, thats fine, all of the other horses I ride are, and I kind of like that challenge.

I have about 5 other horses to ride while she's rehabbing, so riding isn't an issue for me. I would like her to get well enough for me to do light pleasure riding. I'm hoping now that Quenchi is done breeding, I can hop on him. But nonetheless, I think she would be a great first horse.

Thank you everyone for your help! And helping me look for what I should (on my own). If I get the okay, I'm going to be taking progressive pictures of her, and keep all of you posted!!
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post #24 of 34 Old 09-27-2011, 09:24 AM
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The right horse for a novice rider.

Lady, those photos look bad to an experienced horse owner.
The horse is a bag of bones. But you know that.

Many of us have been taken advantage of by a canny barn owner
Your new mare is going to need fattening up and muscling up.
She also needs a thorough check over by a good vet.

But noone has yet mentioned one key factor. How do you feel sitting on the horse?

The first time you meet a horse you are about to ride, you go collect it from the field. Then you watch to see how the horse responds when you get close. Will it allow you to fit a head collar?
Will it walk with you back to the tacking up zone at your shoulder at your pace?

Then you groom it. All over. You touch it. You stroke it. You talk to it.
You comb its mane and tail. You pick out its feet
Then you go to put the bridle on and the bit in the mouth. DOes the horse make it easy?
Then you fit the saddle - does it sit down on the horse's back where it should?

Finally you get to the mounting stage . Will it stand whilst you mount?

Then comes the most important bit.
You put a foot in the stirrup iron and you cock your leg over the horse's back. Did it stand?
DiD it give you time to adjust your seat?
Then you ask it to walk on - did it respond?

Then you ask your self about the feeling in your belly.
Do you feel safe?
Do you feel good?
Do you feel in contact with the horse?

Then you walk a few paces on, then you turn right, then you turn left. Then you come to a halt and then you stand.
Does it feel right??? (only you and the horse will know)

Now if this neglected mare doesn't respond to you, then my feeling would be to get off and say : 'No not for me'

But if the horse did what was asked of it then I might accept that in a 20 year old horse there is a lot of knowledge.

But you will have to remember that you'll have to be gentle with the mare, she ain't as young as once she was. She might break.
And, lord forbid, she might be an irritable old bitch.

But that feeling in the crutch when first you sat down into the saddle is what it is all about.
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post #25 of 34 Old 09-27-2011, 10:04 AM
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no bumps that signalled melanoma

I am having a vet come out today to check her over and get a professional opinion on her health.
Not all tumors are external.

I lost an 8 year old grey mare to rapidly progressive invasive melanoma. I found the tumor on her carotid artery January 10. They tried to remove it on January 31 but it was too entwined with the artery. She never left the operating table. The vet said the only reason I caught that tumor at that stage was my bond with that mare. Minnesota in January horses have a lot of hair there was no real reason for me to notice it.

It was and still is heart breaking.
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post #26 of 34 Old 09-27-2011, 10:15 AM
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It is unfortunate, but what everyone is saying is true.
If you look below you will see a before and after picture of Duffy. And she is 6, she put the weight on but the smallest thing can make her look ribby again at the moment. An extra ten minutes work a few times a week, cooler weather, tried putting her on grass but there just isn't enough out. If I were you, try out as many different horses you can of friends, or to just have a look for some on sale.

Duffy was quiet as a mouse when I first bought her, and although generally well behaved she is a power house and is always attempting to shift the power balance from me to her.

Find something suitable, there are plenty of happy school masters out there that don't cost a fortune. Even some riding schools looking to sell or retire a horse they've had 6yrs or so is a good place to start because although you'll have to work on refining aids later on, they'll hopefully be sensible and good doers. Hope you find your partner! You'll know when you find the right one. Took me 12 horses before I found Duffy!
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post #27 of 34 Old 09-27-2011, 10:20 AM
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But noone has yet mentioned one key factor. How do you feel sitting on the horse?
Barry, I think most of us didn't mention it because I can't even see someone riding this horse in condition it is. But I see (and agree) with all points you are making!




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post #28 of 34 Old 09-27-2011, 10:29 AM
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Barry, I think most of us didn't mention it because I can't even see someone riding this horse in condition it is. But I see (and agree) with all points you are making!
Agreed!
However I don't feel I could ever spend an amount of money on a horse I have never ridden. There are just some horses you don't gel with, and knowing my luck it would be the one I bought haha!
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post #29 of 34 Old 09-30-2011, 05:11 PM Thread Starter
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Thank you everyone! I'm actually going through with it... The vet gave me the clear and other than her weight, she's healthy. I'll be posting pictures on Sunday after I get her boarded up. I've cleaned her up a bit, and she's put on a little weight. She's too good of a horse to be sent to her death. I know there has been some concerns with whether she's ride-able or not, but even if she's not, she'll be a great companion. In my husband's words "it's a chance we're just going to have to take". She'll be perfect to learn the in's and out's of proper care, with the help of an experienced horse owner of course. I'm sure once I get better pictures of her up, some of you will be able to see her potential. I will be posting pictures weekly in a new thread I'll start for her progress and stories of her new improved life. Once again, thank you all so much!
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There is one thing to watch out for - Laminitis

Feeding up an emaciated mare sometimes bring on an attack of Lamminitis

It is very important for you to use a tape to measure her belly as an assessment of her weight and to measure weekly.

The next step for you is to speak with a horse nutritionist.

Then take a few photos for reference.

Mustangs often look like bags of bones but they can be some of the fittest horses. Do not compare a mustang with a privately own well fed pet.

You seek slow growth together with muscle build up.
Buy the horse some rugs to protect from the weather

Treat the horse gently.
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