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post #21 of 33 Old 08-09-2013, 08:48 AM Thread Starter
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I am just going to let him pass My husband really liked him, but I just don't feel comfortable with the amount he has had done so early. If he had been backed and walked around a couple times a week I'd be a lot less concerned. I guess I had just felt sorry for him they way he was being handled so rough. If I was rich and had the room for as many horses as I wanted, I'd take him just to get him away from them.
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post #22 of 33 Old 08-09-2013, 10:02 AM
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A 2 year old (may 2011) colt that had already had 40+ rides on him? He does not look ready to be under saddle, hes still quite small and butt high. He is already doing w/t/c under saddle.
If he were the horse I was looking for, I would consider it. A lot of factors take into effect tho. In this situation if I were to spend my money on that horse, I would put that horse back to pasture until it matured. Its very common for western trainers to start horses as young as 2. Not something I would follow for starting a horse at full time that young, but you can certainly do it.
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post #23 of 33 Old 08-09-2013, 10:42 AM
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All Im saying is that not all 2 year olds have been destroyed by being broken in at what is now considered "early". And many people dont actually KNOW if their horse counts among those. Its a personal decision, and if the horse is nice, call the vet out.
True - not all are ruined. But some are. The question to me is why take the risk? I am as susceptible to the desire for instant gratification as the next person, but why not wait a year? I don't consider horses disposable or expendable - you probably don't either, so why would we put one at risk? Starting them before 2 is just idiotic, but why even risk starting them at 2? I don't know the percentages - no one does, but I would guess 90% of them would likely be OK. But what about the other 10%? I liken it to people that start their children in gymnastics at 6 years old, stressing their joints before they are developed. Sometimes it doesn't cause any harm, but do you have any idea how many childhood gymnasts have hip and/or knee replacements in their 20's and 30's or hobble and limp around? The number of them is really scary.

I'm not trying to be preachy, I just never can understand why folks can't be more patient. You can do a lot of training with a 2 year old to keep busy and involved with them without backing them. Personally, I use that year to work with them, build trust and cooperation, and lay the foundation for their actual training the following year, and the bonus is they train faster and easier with that foundation - sort of like kindergarten preparing children for actual school.

Just my opinion, of course - as you say, those are personal decisions and like everything else, different people look at things differently...
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post #24 of 33 Old 08-09-2013, 11:05 AM
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Really depends what those 40 days were, and when exactly the horse was started.

My I got on my colt for the first time shortly after his 2-yr-old birthday. But I've only ridden him about 15 times and they have been no longer than 5 or 10 minutes, mostly walking. Just enough to introduce him to the concept of riding.

So it really depends on the details.
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post #25 of 33 Old 08-09-2013, 11:27 AM
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When I got Skip he was just shy of his 2nd birthday (going by Jan 1 as the day he became a 2 yr old). He is and was a nice, solid, big boned horse and looked much more mature than he was. I let him out in pasture to play with the other yearling on the place and they spent that fall and winter just being boys. Come spring I did ground work with both horses. One, Skip, was mentally ready for working, the other not so much. LOL! Harley was and is a CLOWN but slower to get it.

Come Aug. we backed Skippy but not Harley. We did WT, whoa and back up. I took him to a show in Sept for the fun of it, took him in 2 WT classes and brought him home. We had a great weekend and lots of fun. He had the rest of fall, winter and now summer off from being ridden. He'll go back once the weather breaks and it's not so beastly hot and humid. The trainer is shorter than I am, I'm 5'3", and weighs in at 145 lbs. Skip will get worked through fall, get some time off for the worst part of winter, and then back at it again in the spring. We'll hit the show trail next spring pretty hard.

So.....technically he was started as a 2 year old. I don't have a problem with it if it's done slowly and carefully. Even starting him as a 2 year old, he won't be ridden strenuously before he's 4. As a QH stallion, that is VERY late and will cost me in the breeding shed. He'll remain sound and happy though, and that's my focus.

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post #26 of 33 Old 08-09-2013, 01:08 PM
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I think it depends on what you want the horse to do. If you are looking for a trail buddy or low level flat work it would not necessarily be a deal breaker. If you are looking for barrels or jumps it would be a deal breaker. I know some research suggests that horses bones respond and that work as a "young horse" actually helps development. I also think it depends on time and space.
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post #27 of 33 Old 08-09-2013, 02:22 PM
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I bought one last year.. put him in pasture over winter,spring,summer and am looking forward to working with him this fall.
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post #28 of 33 Old 08-09-2013, 06:55 PM
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Really depends what those 40 days were, and when exactly the horse was started.

My I got on my colt for the first time shortly after his 2-yr-old birthday. But I've only ridden him about 15 times and they have been no longer than 5 or 10 minutes, mostly walking. Just enough to introduce him to the concept of riding.

So it really depends on the details.
I agree, but many people seem to think sitting on their back involves some sort of disco party.

@Face: no, my horse is not disposible. Even as a greenie, I have more faith in her than our mare. But there is a HUGE difference between the six year olds training to COMPETE in gymnastics, and me walking my giant slug of a filly along a fence for 15 minutes or so.

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Aw, I'm sure she isn't a giant slug...

THIS is a giant slug...the one on the left, that is...

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post #30 of 33 Old 08-09-2013, 09:57 PM
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Aw, I'm sure she isn't a giant slug...

THIS is a giant slug...the one on the left, that is...

haha, what a handsome slug he is! The one on the left, of course. ;)

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