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post #1 of 17 Old 11-22-2019, 11:58 AM Thread Starter
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Yay or Nay?

I'm not sure if the attachments uploaded but anyway here is the story. There is a black & white paint gelding at my barn. He is 19-21 years old according to the BO and the actual owner. JJ is his name.

I have grown to love JJ, who never gets attention because his owner has two younger horses that she rides and handles. As a result I lavish attention on him when I am at the barn. His owner has offered to give him to me. This is my hesitation. I would then be paying board for four horses. And he has some health concerns.

He has a growth on his penis that bleeds and looks awful and painful. The owner says it is not cancer and is just something that grows back every few years. If I took him having that removed and tested would be an immediate expense. He is also stiff in the back end, but his owner said he is still ridable for light riding. He is very well trained with what I have handled him with. The owner said our 8 year old would be able to ride him with no issues, and the horse we got for her is in foal now plus she is a bit of a handful on the ground, which is a whole other story about what happens when you buy a horse that is exceptionally docile then start actually feeding them correctly what happens when they feel better.

Anyway, my heart goes to JJ because I see how truly nice of a guy he is. I look at him and just know that in his prime he was likely amazing. I feel an obligation because when a horse has gone the distance and been full of heart for years they deserve a happy retirement with fun easy trails and grooming and love. We are also starting to look at property, so the boarding situation is temporary. Likely until the summer when our lease is up.

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post #2 of 17 Old 11-22-2019, 12:15 PM
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An older horse is going to cost more, now and long term. But he may well be worth it especially for a young child to learn on.

Those growths may be cancer (benign) that come and go. Vets can remove them if problematic (which is what this sounds like). IMO this issue should not be ignored. It is not very costly to remove them, btw.


What about a partial lease of the horse, with option to buy? You could request the owner has the vet out to inspect and treat the horse's penis as part of the deal. I don't know what the board costs in your area, but maybe offer half the cost, half the vet bills etc. Then when you move to your own place, you could decide if you want to take him with you.

Older horses can also have a calming effect on other horses, so when you move to your own property he could be a great companion horse.
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post #3 of 17 Old 11-22-2019, 12:23 PM
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Yea, but your main obligation is toward the happy end of the horses that have gone the distance for you. However, this is something that may work out for you since you see an end to the boarding situation.

Have you seen any vet bills stating what she says. I would ask about having a vet visit at her expense. You will have to figure out for yourself if this will fly or not, but if I was considering taking this horse I would at least ask, and definitely get a current vet opinion even if I have to pay for it myself. Free horses are not free.
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post #4 of 17 Old 11-22-2019, 12:26 PM
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AnitaAnne I had not seen your comments before I posted, that makes sense too.
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post #5 of 17 Old 11-22-2019, 12:30 PM
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In the one picture posted, which is sideways so a bit hard to see, it appears like JJ has a large swayback. He may or may not be ridable, even by a young child.

Have you tried having your daughter ride him yet? If not that would be step #1.

If he is ridable, you may need to heavily pad his back. I have found the Lami Cell pads from Jeffers to be the best value and really cushion an older horses back well, minimizing any bounce.

Here is the link:

https://www.jefferspet.com/products/...ock-memory-pad
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post #6 of 17 Old 11-22-2019, 12:47 PM
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Off topic, but I have head that anything gel does not work so well. Maybe I'm wrong, but doesn't the gel just get slopped around? It's a neat idea, but maybe something firmer words better.
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A free lease, with an option to buy, like @AnitaAnne said, is what I did when I got Teddy. I told his owner I would free lease him for three months (payment for board up front) and at the end of that time if I thought I could do something with him, I'd take him. If not, I'd give him back. It worked out well for me. I do like the idea of having the current owner have the vet out first. A month into my free lease of Teddy, the owner was like, "He needs his vaccinations and teeth floated, and oh yeah maybe you can have the vet figure out why he won't take a bit." She hadn't been doing anything with him, so he was actually pretty overdue for all of that stuff, and the farrier.

But if you're thinking about him for your child, then for sure even before that I'd try a couple of test rides.

ETA, two more thoughts.
1. Your mare is pregnant. Can you afford FIVE horses once she foals?
2. Depending on the way the pastures are set up where you board, can you ask to have this guy put in with your other horses to see how they all get along? In terms of herd dynamics, my Teddy was the best thing that could have happened to me. But if could easily have gone the other way, too.
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post #8 of 17 Old 11-22-2019, 12:57 PM Thread Starter
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In the one picture posted, which is sideways so a bit hard to see, it appears like JJ has a large swayback. He may or may not be ridable, even by a young child.

Have you tried having your daughter ride him yet? If not that would be step #1.

If he is ridable, you may need to heavily pad his back. I have found the Lami Cell pads from Jeffers to be the best value and really cushion an older horses back well, minimizing any bounce.

Here is the link:

https://www.jefferspet.com/products/...ock-memory-pad
She rode him bareback with the halter. He does have a sway back. He also got quite down in weight awhile back because he was not being fed enough.

Someone posted about free not being free. I know this all too well. It just nags me that he is not being treated in the way I feel is properly for his age! My boyfriend keeps saying no and that if she still has him when we are ready to move that then we can think it over again.

I have heard bad things about gel and memory foam pads, but yeah he would definitely need lots of padding and adjustments for his back. These are all things to think about. However, I cannot get his sweet face off my mind and it feels as though, once again, my heart is winning over what I know are all logical things to consider regarding cost and time.

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She rode him bareback with the halter. He does have a sway back. He also got quite down in weight awhile back because he was not being fed enough.

Someone posted about free not being free. I know this all too well. It just nags me that he is not being treated in the way I feel is properly for his age! My boyfriend keeps saying no and that if she still has him when we are ready to move that then we can think it over again.

I have heard bad things about gel and memory foam pads, but yeah he would definitely need lots of padding and adjustments for his back. These are all things to think about. However, I cannot get his sweet face off my mind and it feels as though, once again, my heart is winning over what I know are all logical things to consider regarding cost and time.
I have used those pads for YEARS and even on my 28 yr old paint that was ridden right up to his last year (two years ago).

The pad is placed OVER a second pad. No harm to back at all, it cushions it and fills in the sway.

I ride in treeless saddles, and padding the back is #1 with me.
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post #10 of 17 Old 11-22-2019, 01:39 PM
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I would say that, like insurance, you would take him on as long as she is willing to at least go halves on treatment for that growth ongoing. You are giving him a retirement and taking on an expense. What she saves in his board some of that should go towards medical bills. I would absolutely have this written up. An alternative is that she has that lump removed and THEN you will take him so at least thats out of the way (for a few years if she's correct). I think its still a win for her - she knows hes going to a good home and will save cost but she can't just dump all this on you.

You could also maybe permanently loan him (the loan being for free but written up) and the expense she must take care of is this lump. That way he stays in her name if you do end up having issues, as sad as that sounds :< You sound amazing!
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