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post #21 of 37 Old 02-03-2019, 07:49 AM
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Sorry, not much help here. As one of the other Aussies said, all our floats have ramps, whether angle or straight load. That float looks really close to the ground so I cant imagine the ramp being that steep? Is it steeper than mine in this pic? If I have a horse that wants to rush off, I get someone leading at the front, and I stand behind/slightly to the side, and "steer" with the tail and if needed push their butt/leg if they look like they're going to step off the side. But I think the main thing is practice, practice, practice.
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This ramp is no "shorter" than most ramps are on 2-horse trailers I own/owned or used for more than 30 years of trailering and hauling to shows others horses.
What makes you think shorter is a taller trailer appearance and the stock closure on top.

A good mat, ribbed as beau made comment on might help you if your mat needs replacing.

You make mention of seeing a horse trip using a ramp....
So, did you look to see if the horse had a loose shoe and hooked it?
Was the mat damaged and horse got a foot caught on it?
Was the mat loose or have a stretched buckling to it that created the issue?
Was the horse distracted or being rushed?
Did the hind foot catch on the ground and actually dump the horse?

In over 30 years of hauling horses I've not seen a horse fall to their knees for no reason in either entry or exit activity that nine-times out-of-ten was not human made error caused or negligence...
I've rarely, like less than 10x in my remembrance seen a horse fall for no reason upon investigation was unexplained...that is in more than 40 years of horses...just fall down period.
Horses are pretty darn sure-footed and if they did not feel safe...
Not going into that trailer....bring the fight on!

I've seen some terrible injuries to human from ramps...
Butt bars or good, strong butt chains are a must!
If the trailer doesn't have them, get them and use them...no excuses.
Never stand behind that ramp when opening or closing...always stand to the side!
That is why you must have good helper springs to control the raise and lower action from a safe position for your body.
And yes, I've seen to many humans trapped under a ramp when a horse decided to suddenly depart the trailer that did not have butt bar/chain trapping, crushing a body and shattering a femur {thigh} in several instances in the process.
Our bodies are not made to support 1000+ pounds on it in any position.
That is what you will have when your horse and the ramp weigh at a minimum.
Dead weight on your body.


A ramp that is properly constructed and has been maintained or one you will maintain and correct problems with would not give me pause...
And using a trailer with a ramp, when used correctly and with safety protocols in place first and foremost always...
Enjoy the trailer.
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post #23 of 37 Old 02-03-2019, 08:57 AM Thread Starter
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The interior pictures are not the same trailer. Just similar. And a say it’s shorter. Maybe it’s not. But I can tell you it is steeper than any of my friends who have ramps on their trailers. Theirs have hardly any slope at all. And as for the horses who slipped... they are barefoot horses. No shoes to hook. And it has been there front end. As I’ve said in other posts. These horses are use to step ups and tip toe out. So when their front feet hit the steep ramp they just slid out from under them. It has a thin ribbed mat on it. But I think it’s to thin to do much for traction and the ribs are very minute. And as far as aluminum will corrode. I understand it will still require maintenance. But it will not just sit there and rust.

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Trailers sit on different sized tires and that can effect height of a floor to step on or off of.
If the horses that slipped and fell are only accustomed to step-downs...then that should also be taken into consideration as they were not trained to go off a ramp with support surface still under the feet.
Did you ever step off a curb and near trip and expect to step onto a surface of a particular height and it is different...you trip.
That is as a human...no different than for a horse.

My trailer, my step-up sits on large 16" tires...
My friends trailer is on 15" tires...
I know the difference I feel stepping on/off of hers versus mine. So do my horses...
Big difference and one you need to take into consideration.
My trailer also just sits higher than hers in the way it is built...
You may be facing that stance issue too.

Just so you realize, shoes could of been part of a issue...
But a barefoot horse can also catch a hoof that is not perfectly filed with uneven edge too...
But being these horses you make mention of are step-up accustomed...the fact they expected to step to ground and did not would be where I would be looking.
The support of their handler to steady them and apply some resistance to their egress...well, you don't know unless you were actually at their head, saw and were in control of that animals attention and motion.
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Try before you buy. If you are buying from a friend it should be relatively easy to get the trailer brought to your horse so you can try it out. My mare has only been trailered 4 times. Once when she was 2, twice when she was 3 and on when she was 4. She has never really been trained or practiced to go in and out of a trailer. The last ride she took, to my barn, was with a ramp. She was a little hesitant for about 5 minutes, then ended up just walking in. I would guess if your horse is a good hauler he will have so problem and if you do something to add traction for your peace of mind, you have a good deal. You really should try it out first, though, to see.
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I underatand many different things can affect the steepness of the ramp. And I also understand them slipping can be from being used to a step up. I know it is something he will have to adjust too. I’m not worried about that. He is the most willing to please horse I’ve ever owned. And as I said before. He may have no issues at all. But knowing horses have slipped on this ramp. I was just looking for traction ideas. I believe in being diligent and having a plan for worst case scenario. And seeing as a ramp is all new to me... figured I’d reach out to those who have experience. As for try before I buy. I live 3 hours away. Not super easy. And I have no doubt he will adjust. However.... IF he does slip at first while adjusting to the difference.... I want to be able to do something to make his adjustment easier.
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I was camping one time and watching a guy unload his horse. Because he had a small horse and a tall trailer, he raised the jack at the front to lift the front of the trailer. When i asked him why, he said it was so his horse wouldn't have to step down so far when unloading.



If the ramp is slick- and some stall mats certainly are slick- I would remove the mat on there and replace it with a different one. Get a textured mat in place, and you should not have slipping.



That is a good deal for an aluminum trailer!
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In the UK where we have horseboxes (like an RV for horses!) the ramps tend to be steeper than trailer ramps because the vehicle sits much higher off the road
In those days we used coconut matting held in place by pieces of strong wood screwed over the top of it across the width of the ramp
Nowadays the matting has been replaced by ribbed rubber matting as that material became popular - much easier to hose over to clean but you can still use the strips of wood as 'hoof stops' if you're worried about a horse slipping
I found a photo on google that had the same thing done with a steeper trailer ramp
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Sometimes, if you are looking for something to happen, it does. And sometimes, if you don't worry about something happening, it doesn't. You describe your horse as very willing and sensible, so relax and I bet he will handle it just fine.
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Sorry, not much help here. As one of the other Aussies said, all our floats have ramps, whether angle or straight load. That float looks really close to the ground so I cant imagine the ramp being that steep? Is it steeper than mine in this pic? If I have a horse that wants to rush off, I get someone leading at the front, and I stand behind/slightly to the side, and "steer" with the tail and if needed push their butt/leg if they look like they're going to step off the side. But I think the main thing is practice, practice, practice.
I do believe it is. And he doesn’t rush anything lol. He takes his time and tip toes out. Which the tip toes seem to be the problem. The horses I’ve seen come out with no issues all do it flat footed.

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