Please share your list.
I've been doing that. But I've just ordered a book by Tom Dorrance. It seems he might talk principles more than specific techniques, and I fault CA for not
discussing principles. I've discussed principles more than specifics, but I've also given examples.
...In fact, BSMS how can you in the same breath, proclaim the importance of getting into a horse;s mind, not depend on body control, yet advocate going to a curb for control-you don't see the paradox????...
None at all. I already wrote (post 266):
"A horse obviously needs to learn a few cues - turn left, turn right, slow down & stop - before heading out on a trail. Those cues can be simple. The rider may need to be ready to use them forcefully on the trail
As I have explained to you multiple times before, Mia COULD be stopped from bolting if you 'took her head away' - to use a CA-like phrase and approach. Then we would do a 180, she would try again, we would do another 180, she would try again, we would do another 180, she would try again, we would do another 180, and so on ad nauseum...and it MIGHT well take "3-5 minutes" - to QUOTE Clinton Anderson - to stop her from being reactive.
And by that time, she KNEW
the scary thing was UTTERLY TERRIFYING
. Blast it, Smilie, that is the point! What Clinton Anderson said to do failed! NOT WITH EVERY HORSE. I've said repeatedly on this thread that he performs a useful role and that his method works with some horses.
Since it was not possible to stop her in her tracks with a snaffle, and since "taking her head away" was possible but not productive, I tried something else. We went back to the very beginning, and I taught her to stop in a straight line with a curb. It took 3 sessions of 45 minutes in an arena. Then we tried it in the desert. And when she became afraid of a motorcycle, and started to run, it took one firm bump to stop her - in a straight line. Then she paused, and the motorcycle went away. And the light came on, and she began to realize that if she stopped, the scary thing ran away from her! At that point, having already dug a very deep hole, we began to climb out.
Clinton Anderson's method, contrary to his boasts, does NOT work with every rider and every horse. As someone who started at 50, I suspect I understand how a 40 or 50 year old beginner feels - and they do NOT feel like handling lots of explosions. So if they have a horse who CA's method works with - great! I'm happy they found something that works!
However, I found something that also works. Slower, but it works with a lot less potential for explosions and injuries - and it works well with nervous or independent horses. I suspect it would work with Titan too, although I obviously will never know.
It works for trail horses. I know nothing about arena sports and have said so repeatedly on this thread
: "taking the head away, re directing the horse , to do some familiar movements, is not punishment, done correctly
Some horses disagree. Even when leading them, I've noticed both Mia and Bandit become very reactive if I try to turn them in circles, but calm if I back them in a straight line. I don't know why. But it is true. From the ground, I could provoke fear and a fight by demanding they move their feet in circles, but get a lowered head and licking if I backed them up in a straight line.
: "At the risk of exposing myself to some as a complete nincompoop, yes, absolutely, if Hondo told me emphatically, "Harold, if we finish crossing this stream we're are going to die"
I tend to agree, but I also think a horse who has accepted responsibility for doing X will try much harder to do X than one who has been ordered to do X. I find Bandit is a braver horse if I ask him if he can do X and he says yes. It makes a huge difference in attitude when Bandit and I are working as a team to achieve X, versus when rider bsms tells
Bandit to do X.
Charlotte Dujardin is one of the few dressage riders I enjoy watching. I think she has managed to form a genuine team with Valegro. Valegro is one of the few dressage horses I've seen who seems to enjoy playing the game - who looks like he is having fun.
"I can't help but smile when I ride Valegro; I think something and he does it. I laugh and I think 'god how does he know, I didn't even ask, I just thought it
I have no idea how someone can do that in an arena sport, but Charlotte Dujardin seems to have done it. I sure could not. But I can do it, or at least am starting
to do it, on a trail. And I feel much safer when I feel Bandit take responsibility for X. There will be no explosion. He will do his best. If we need to flex, he'll listen. I think that was what @jaydee
was describing with jumpers - the ability to trust your horse when you need HIM to get YOU out of trouble. It cannot be forced. It is trust and teamwork.
wrote, "I can be tough with a horse and spent a good chunk of my life doing just that. Maybe it is a sign of getting older and softer, perhaps a bit of experience in that I no longer find that necessary in dealing with horses to get the results I want because I recognize a problem long before it becomes one...
I think a lot of older beginners - certainly me at 58 - know their body no longer has the strength and recovery ability to get away with muscling a horse around. I suspect a lot of older beginners would respond well to learning how to THINK their way around problems, and how to learn to read their horse (and encourage the horse to talk) so they could avoid explosions instead of riding right into one.