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post #21 of 25 Old 07-20-2010, 12:55 AM
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Could your daughter go ahead and enter him in fair just for the experience? I got to show horses one year and placed all blues, but had the time of my life. The filly I showed spooked and reared and the mare I rode and entered in showmanship wouldn't square up and was slow to respond to commands. The advantage to showing this year (if he'll let your daughter do it) is that he'll already know the atmosphere of it for next year.

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post #22 of 25 Old 07-20-2010, 10:51 PM
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No chain should be used with any horse. "Negative" reinforcement can be good, it really depends on the horse. An introvert horse like this would do much better with positive reinforcement. I would just get the horse moving around a lot in the arena and listening to commands by just doing circles, running, turning, stopping, backing up and lots of treats. Saying this, however, the horse shouldn't be walking all over your daughter but with this horse I think a sharp "no" would be good enough if the horse wasn't listening. As for the cuddling, if the horse goes to cuddle get your daughter to trot the horse in a circle. I'm glad you are putting your horse's well being in front of showing :)

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post #23 of 25 Old 07-21-2010, 06:20 AM
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If I am correct, they must show in a chain for showmanship, unless they show in a bridle if showing english.

I also agree that the chain is a tool and not a weapon, and the trainers approach to work with this horse is all wrong.

However, I also felt like you (OP) are really misinterpreting your horses behavior. You are giving him many human emotions that horses really don't use the same way that we do.

Its great that you guys got through to this horse, but to boil it down, this horse needs to learn to accept correction, something that I truly feel he isn't used to. It doesn't have to be harsh correction, but he does have to understand it and understand it to the point that it actually has some kind of affect.

I did work with a horse whose owners "loved him" and he was "so beautiful", and then he bucked one person off multiple times and she ended up needing surgery. He had been very skittish of people and he had gotten used to them, but they never wanted to upset him. The first week that I had that horse in training, he was a little scared of me. I did not shelter him, I did not sugar coat things, I never inflicted pain on him, but the fact that I wasn't overly concerned with hurting his feelings did make him a little headshy and resistant towards people. He was spoiled, made out to be something special, and when I got specific with him, he immediately got defensive, like your horse is doing. His owners were skeptical at first, but the horse had already been given up on by other trainers and they waited it out.

That horse came to my barn last week for horse camp, less than one year after he was here for 90 days. He was the mount for his owners children, ages 9 and 12. He remembered me and my husband and was very social and respectful with us. He is a completely different horse, likes all people, and can handle correction to the point that he can learn new things easily and willingly.

Remember, you horse will always be what you treat him as. As long as he is treated as your daughters barbie doll, he will act just as entitled as Barbie.
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post #24 of 25 Old 07-21-2010, 09:01 AM
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I have a very strong personal aversion to chains. I will never use one on any horse of mine because I have seen the damage they can do, even in the RIGHT hands, if the horse panics for some reason. Having said that, it doesn't mean that everyone that uses one uses it to be abusive, I am not coming down on anyone for using one. I just won't do it myself. Sometimes it is used as a tool, I just think it a very risky one at best. Although I personally would have an issue with any show class that requires one. What is the logic in requiring a chain, can anybody tell me? I'm not picking fights, I really want to know, because it honestly doesn't make any sense to me. To me seems it would be better showmanship if you could get the results WITHOUT a chain.

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post #25 of 25 Old 07-21-2010, 07:16 PM
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I agree with flitterbug. To have a good relationship with a horse you have to be dominant. That means you need to be able to correct the horse. And as flitterbug said, that doesn't have to be mean.

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