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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
So, i have an issue. my horse is a bit of a goof, sometimes he bucks and sometimes i fall off. I ride him quite frequently and he’s a bit of a goofy guy so i’ve fallen off a lot in our past couple years haha. He has no issues with soreness/tack issues, it’s literally just his personality. the silliness has never been an issue but this past few months i’ve had a HUGE issue with him kicking at me when i fall off. He only started doing this the past little while, he’s been vet checked since and nothing is wrong he is perfectly healthy. i don’t know where he got this from or why he started to kick at me when i fall. Today, i fell off and he actually kicked me twice. I’m not sure how to fix this??? Like obviously i can get after him once i manage to get myself b
up but i don’t think that’s really going to do anything. what the heck should i do? Like i said, it’s not the bucking or falling off part, it’s the fact that he acts like an idiot and kicks me once i’m down.
 
#3 · (Edited by Moderator)
i have been riding for almost 8 years with a trainer and my horse is not close to green, he is 17 and is quite a push button horse. just an idiot. he is quite hard to stay on and he bucks very hard. i do not fall off often anymore but that wasn’t the point of the post 🙂 the point was to ask why he would kick all of a sudden when i fall.
 
#5 ·
wait a minute! why is he bucking you off in the first place? you should not accept nor ignore this. He wants you off, for some reason, and this feeling is getting stronger.


what happens when he gets you off? I mean, before the bucking event, as you are going off, and afterward? Do you jump up off the ground and shank the reins?


What starts the bucking? like, you asked him to canter, . . . or other horses cantered off, . . or . .



horses are emotional creature. He isn't just being a 'expletive'. He is expressing how he feels, and YOU have something to do with that.



Think about it.
 
#6 ·
I DO NOT agree with the above.

Some horses have strong characters with a great sense of humour and, this does not decrease with age.

I think this horse sets himself a challenge to see how he can drop his rider and is now lashing out as he does so.

I have seen this so many times, where a horse bucks it's rider off on several occasions then when ridden by someone who can sit those bucks, give strong correction for them doing it and that can end the story.
 
#7 ·
I have seen this so many times, where a horse bucks it's rider off on several occasions then when ridden by someone who can sit those bucks, give strong correction for them doing it and that can end the story.
^^^This.

There is nothing cute about a horse who makes a habit out of bucking. He is an “idiot” because he has been allowed to become one. No excuses. I own a horse that’s a con artist- he’s been with me 24 of his 26 years, in part because he IS a con artist and could have become an “idiot “ and dangerous in the wrong hands.

Even if the bucking issues might be pain related (a chiropractor would know that), the kicking out business once he got you off is an escalation of pretty bad behavior.

If you’re riding bareback, your balance is not good enough to ride him out of a buck, which is what he needs - plain and simple - ridden out of the bucks.

My guess is that, even if someone else does get him out of the bucks, he is smart enough to know the minute you get back on him you may not be able to hang in there, he will try you, and you need a saddle on him that fits him.

You are creating a dangerous horse and that needs fixed ——-
 
#8 · (Edited)
Like obviously i can get after him once i manage to get myself b
up but i don’t think that’s really going to do anything
You're right - or at least, it won't do anything beneficial to you. Horses learn from *instant* consequences, so if you can't punish him effectively *while* he's bucking/kicking, then all you'll be punishing is whatever is going on at the time you finally get around to it.

I'm quite... perplexed that you're not at all concerned about all the getting bucked off. I gather you're quite young. Sounds like you're lucky not to have been hurt badly yet, but that luck is not likely to hold. You will end up hurt badly(hope that's all) if you keep riding him. Another thing with consequences is, if something works for a horse(there's instant desirable consequences - he gets you off), they will do it again, get better at it, more confirmed. And if it only works sometimes, *they will try harder* so if he's bucking & you're coming off after 2 years, he's pretty 'well trained' in doing this now, and yes, he will have learned to buck harder as you have become better able to sit the smaller ones.

To teach him not to do it would first entail ensuring the rider NEVER EVER came off. Even with a good bronc rider, it'd probably be extremely difficult to get him reliably out of it now. So... I'd start with employing a very good bronc rider, and become very good at riding broncs & not coming off yourself, if you want to keep riding him.

So... I'd absolutely 1000% be very concerned about the bucking, and even if you're... Wolverine & always bounce back from injury, letting him continue to buck you off will pretty much ensure you can't fix the kicking at you either. So you're extremely mistaken to be unconcerned with the bucking. Will you bounce back from a kick in the head? & if you care for the horse, what do you think will become of a horse like this if you're in ICU? I'm also interested to hear that you have been riding in front of a trainer & what have they said about it?

As for kicking you while you're down, he's not being an 'idiot', he's just being a horse. Perhaps something IS bothering him, causing him to want you off, and he's trying to tell you more clearly that he hates it, or he is frightened & reactive about you landing at his feet, or he is confirming who's boss, or, like Foxhunter suggested & you seem to be thinking, he's just playing, it's all a game to him & he's just playing 'tag' with you after he dumps you.

Firstly, I do think it is indeed a big possibility Tiny is right & he's not just playing, but something is wrong, he's been trying to communicate, be it physically or with your riding/training - something you're doing/not doing. I'd want to be absolutely sure there were no physical reason he wants you off, before addressing it as a training issue. So wondering what exactly you have tried, besides a 'vet check' to rule out/fix any discomfort/pain? Eg. bodyworker? Saddle fitter? Nutrition? You're bouncing on him, his feet, teeth, the bit...? Whether or not it is physical, as explained above, this 'training' will have ensured he will keep it up even if you ensure you effectively eradicate physical probs now.
 
#9 ·
There are contradictions in the descriptions you provided us. What I define as a finished, push button horse does not include the behavior or bucking. If a horse is bucking there is something wrong which could be pain or training related. So the first thing I would address is why is your horse bucking. Once the reason for the bucking is identified you can then look for a solution to eliminate the bucking.

I would first have a vet check done to insure the horse is sound. If the horse is sound you then can eliminate pain from the equation and work on identifying other reasons the horse needs to buck. This behavior could be from holes in training, self-preservation or even learned behavior that a horse uses to not be ridden or worked.

The real problem here is the bucking, and not that you get thrown off.
Best of luck
 
#10 ·
Bucking can be a bad habit or it can be forma reason.

What is he being fed? Over feeding and under exercised can also Ben a cause.

A woman I knew bred her own horses. She was a great rider and very experienced, however she had more than one accident coming off her horses. I was asked if I could go ride them.

First ride out was in the beach. She was on the mare and I on the gelding (full brother and sister) both horses were very spookywe rode under the lifeboat launch, all concrete. Half way under the horse I was in started to buck. Not funny as he was 17 hands and I only had about 12" head clearance.

With him bucking I had to go forward and as soon as he was clear he really bucked hard. Luckily I could rode a buck and stayed on him. I jerked his head by socking him in the teeth with one rein at the same time booting him forward hard with legs and whip. I pulled him around and made him go back and forth under that ramp without any question of him messing around.

Owner was a bit shocked at the treatment I had dealt out. I was told it was a perfectly normal thing for him to do. Not with me it wasn't!


The mare would also buck and boy, she was agile in doing it! We were hunting one day and the owner was dropped from the mare, it was not a good fall and owner ended up with a busted shoulder and arm.

I will admit I did have a touch of sympathy for those two horses as I took over the riding of them. I took the mare hunting knowing she would try the same trick so, I unloaded about 5 miles from the Meet. After warming her up I took her into a ploughed field and worked her hard around that. When she was truly tired I took her to the Meet. No bucking until mid hunt when we had not been moving a lot. Back into another plough.

She was so tired at the end of the day but I worked her the next. By the end of the week both horses were sane and sensible. When I felt they were going to buck I got after them. Didn't take them long to learn.
 
#12 ·
You are not experienced enough to be dealing with this and your trainer is being a... well dumb as a sack of rocks if this is acceptable behavior in their program.

If this horse was with me he would be getting a hard lunge in the side reins or the Pessoa then worked 6 days a week with someone who will not come off if he bucks. Every time he bucks or even thinks about it he'd be put straight into very difficult work (lateral work, halting and backing from the canter then stepping straight into the canter, cavellettis).

The root of this issue is that you are okay with this behavior. It's acceptable to you. So your horse is going to keep doing it. It's just like how some people are okay with horses pawing in the cross ties and maybe tap them on the shoulder but they never truly learn something is unacceptable.
Bad actions = proper corrections = an animal learning that they can't do the bad action again.

This is not goofy behavior for a finished horse for an inexperienced rider.
If the horse is truly just goofy and expressing themselves, it needs a professional riding it. We have some jumpers who kick out strongly when they're in a jump off or something, but a professional or professional-riding junior is on them and can manage/ignore/sit through these situations to keep the horses on task and winning.
 
#30 ·
and that is what I call abusive........ horses need a partner and they need a strong bond....doing what interstellar said will break that bond. POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT when he does something good give him a treat or a hug, pat and a good boy....once he knows you do that he will want to do more good than bad. When he does do bad don't go ape and yell,holler, hit him. Just say a firm NO...and there you have it a dream horse.
 
#13 ·
I'm just gonna put in my two cents here, I agree with a lot of the posts above. But I also disagree with some.

I don't think bucking or kicking is a horse 'personality trait'. *shrug* I also don't think your horse is necessarily being 'bad'. He's trying to tell you something.

There's a reason for the bucking. Could definitely be pain-related. Has your saddle been checked by a professional saddle fitter (not a trainer)? What is his diet like? If you're falling off so much, maybe it's a training issue as well somewhere along the lines. That's definitely not normal, & not okay either. It can't be enjoyable, falling off almost every ride. Definitely need to get to the bottom of the issue at hand.

Really surprised your trainer doesn't really think it's a big deal? It's dangerous.

As for the kicking after you fall, sounds like it's becoming a habit for him & a game. He's not being an idiot either. He's trying to tell you something is either hurting him, or making him uncomfortable. If your vet doesn't find any concerns, maybe it's time for search for a new one. Have you had a chiro out? Or an osteopath (one that is actually registered through the IREO) may be a good idea as well. It could be a NUMBER of things. Best to get to the bottom of it, rather than continuing to ride him & fall off...again & again.
 
#14 ·
It sounds to me like you have NOT established a relationship with him. I've seen this a couple of times with very spendy horses. Their training was all performance but no connection. Look into "Join Up", establishing a connection and getting the horse to trust you FIRST, looking to you to solve problems on the ground BEFORE you get in the saddle.
 
#15 ·
I'm sorry but this would be incredibly dangerous for this situation. Join up can be used for some things, but it's also shown as this end all be all of connection and trust and that is fed to you by people who want you to buy their products. As someone who's worked with lots of horses who've never been 'tested' with join up, you don't need it. Ever. You build trust with a horse by continuously showing them you are to be trusted and that you're a fair herd leader over time in many different situations.

With this horse, I would NEVER turn my back on it, not for a second.
 
#16 ·
I think you don't understand the method. The modern term "join up", now commercialized is an old method. Yes you have to be able to read the horses body language. She might look to a professional not necessarily a "Natural Horsemanship" one. I saw it used twice by a well known (in my area) dressage instructor. She was trained in England and well credentialed. The horses were warm bloods prone to shut down.
 
#19 ·
I would have to think he does not respect you as the leader. I have a strong leader horse. For a time he decided to kick at me as he was leaving the barn. Did not seem like he wanted to hit me but I AM THE LEADER so that is not acceptable. I worked him then would turn him loose again. If a kick we worked on line again until tired. He no longer kicks out. We still have a few issues from time to time on him being pushy. If mine tossed me we would have a really hard work out for it so that he would be tired and think twice before he dump me. Goofy or not dumping you is not respecting you and he needs to understand you will not tolerate it. If you ignore bad behavior you will get more and more of it.
 
#22 ·
Agree fully that what you accept you tend to get more of. You can't blame the horse for that, as you've effectively taught him it's ok.

Agree too that the horse probably doesn't 'respect' it's rider. But that to me is a 'no brainer' & as helpful as saying 'the horse doesn't always behave like I want'. Respect is a 2 way street - the handler must be respectFUL to the horse to *earn* it from them. Which takes understanding for starters, which I don't think is demonstrated here. And the kicking out bit might be nothing to do with 'respect' and just... Humour & what it's been *allowed*, as Foxhunter explained. I also think there is a HUGE difference between a horse learning to comply, submit, and true respect/leadership.

Horses live/think/learn in the present, meaning they need *instant* consequences to be able to associate cause with effect. They simply cannot think rationally, abstractedly, that 'what is happening now is because of what I did back when'. Even if back when was only seconds ago.

This is one reason I disagree thoroughly with 'working' a horse till he's tired or such as punishment. Past the first couple of seconds(assuming you do it immediately the horse does 'wrong', which in the case of being bucked off is impossible), the horse will 'forget' what it's about & you're just making 'work' punishing for no reason.

By all means, IF you can do so *instantly* when the horse does 'wrong', punish it if need be, make life difficult, drive the horse hard, whatever. But if you can't do it instantly & don't quit doing it within a couple of seconds of the horse stopping the Wrong behaviour, you're probably doing more harm than good. And definitely not earning any respect
 
#20 ·
@tinyliny I wasn't suggesting that the OP rides this horse. I stick by giving it over to the trainer and either working with the trainer or allowing the trainer to sell it.
I don't believe that this person is skilled enough to have a third eye/the instincts necessary to know what's happening around her in the round pen when she isn't looking. I completely understand what you're saying, but I think for this case we have to keep in mind the danger, the fact that OP is a minor, as well as the lack of experience, too.
Suggestions can come out the wazoo but personally the best option I can give is work with a trainer and learn how to do anything with a horse who you can trust not to kick you.
 
#23 ·
I will work a fractious horse until it is tired NOT as a punishment but as a means to get through to them - you have the energy to mess, you have the energy to work. They soon catch onto the idea that when being ridden they need their energy to do as and what I want - which can be fun, so behave!

I do not ride 'naughty ' horses in the arena, they have nothing else to think about other than the rider asking for something and them livening it all up by misbehaving. I ride them out and about, taking them to the nearest and steepest hills I can or a field of plough let them work there, they soon stop messing around.

Then you can come to an agreement in an arena when they know that being ridden means no messing.
 
#24 ·
Horses absolutely buck as a personality trait. When I was a teen, i would borrow or free lease a horse every summer, put a bunch of miles on it, and send it home when school started. I had one horse who was started right, but he pulled pranks. Every trick in the book. You would be riding along and he would get a look on his face- then pull a trick. He could do the airs above the ground, buck, spin, or bolt. Really seemed to be random behavior with him. You could never let your guard down with him. Never. If you were lucky you saw it coming. Most of it seemed very random. His mother didn't do anything like that, so i guess it was from the sire's side.
 
#25 ·
Some horses will always test the rider!

It's the right handling on the ground, the right reaction to when they do try things on respect on both sides, it can stop. However, horses like this do need an avenue to have their fun.

Dealing with fit TBs (and other horses) as long as they were being sensible in general, I never minded if the put in a 'whoopee' buck when we started to canter. This wouldn't be a buck to drop you but one that is saying 'hey, ain't life great!'
 
#26 ·
Dealing with fit TBs (and other horses) as long as they were being sensible in general, I never minded if the put in a 'whoopee' buck when we started to canter. This wouldn't be a buck to drop you but one that is saying 'hey, ain't life great!'
Years ago I had the sweetest Arab mare who was my trail and endurance partner. She was perfect at a walk and trot but ask for a canter and there would be one good hop and off we'd go...every single time. I loved that horse.
 
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#27 ·
My all tim favourite horse, Tom, would always buck, just lifting his back legs, when he cantered. One girl who was mildly spina bifida, wanted desperately to ride him.
I was giving her sister a lesson and told her that if she could tack him up she could have a ride on him. Knowing she would never reach to put the saddle on.

About twenty minutes later Rachel came riding Tom to the arena. She had bridled him with no problem. To get the saddle on she had placed the saddle on the raised circular flower bed. Realising she would still not be able to reach she left Tom standing there and got three milk crates and from there's was able to saddle him.

Her legs barely came to the bottom of the saddle and my leathers were way to long so I fetched hers and put them on and she joined in the lesson.

That lump of a horse never even thought about bucking, he cantered around like an old school horse!

We moved across to where the show jumps were. Rachel wanted to have a go with Tom.

Now Tom would jump any natural fences with ease, he would play around with them, take off a stride to soon and clear with a massive over jump, he might get to close and act like he was going to refuse and cat jump, either way he'd buck on landing. The one thing he would not do was step over a coloured pole!

The course was set at about three feet and distanced for ponies. That darn horse went around that course barely clearing each fence and never once offered to buck. In the two stride double he did in one stride but still never made his exit a big jump.

I was sickened by his demeanour! Next day, after exercise I took him to the show jumps and couldn't get him within ten feet of them.

Annoying when a young pupil gets more from a horse than you can!
 
#44 ·
My all tim favourite horse, Tom, would always buck, just lifting his back legs, when he cantered. One girl who was mildly spina bifida, wanted desperately to ride him.
I was giving her sister a lesson and told her that if she could tack him up she could have a ride on him. Knowing she would never reach to put the saddle on.

About twenty minutes later Rachel came riding Tom to the arena. She had bridled him with no problem. To get the saddle on she had placed the saddle on the raised circular flower bed. Realising she would still not be able to reach she left Tom standing there and got three milk crates and from there's was able to saddle him.

Her legs barely came to the bottom of the saddle and my leathers were way to long so I fetched hers and put them on and she joined in the lesson.

That lump of a horse never even thought about bucking, he cantered around like an old school horse!

We moved across to where the show jumps were. Rachel wanted to have a go with Tom.

Now Tom would jump any natural fences with ease, he would play around with them, take off a stride to soon and clear with a massive over jump, he might get to close and act like he was going to refuse and cat jump, either way he'd buck on landing. The one thing he would not do was step over a coloured pole!

The course was set at about three feet and distanced for ponies. That darn horse went around that course barely clearing each fence and never once offered to buck. In the two stride double he did in one stride but still never made his exit a big jump.

I was sickened by his demeanour! Next day, after exercise I took him to the show jumps and couldn't get him within ten feet of them.

Annoying when a young pupil gets more from a horse than you can!

hehe, they tend to do that. I don't know why actually?? I am a beginner rider and I don't know that much about horses and riding yet so I always tell my instructors to please give me a horse suitable for my level. Once I was riding and one of my trainers was laughing really hard. He told me this horse normally doesn't even wants to ride with her riders to the other end of the riding box and that it was a miracle she wanted to do that for me. I totally don't know why this horse listened or why we could do this, I just steered it and gave the aids needed. It seemed like a very nice horse to me. :p Could it be they feel you are a beginner and they act kind???
 
#28 ·
^yeah I have seen that with horses a the trail co I used to work at - there were those 'fun' horses that would 'put us through our paces' & seemed to know, being 'young hoons' we were willing & up for a challenge, but put a beginner on them & they were lambs.

My kid's first pony was like that - would really look after little riders very carefully, put up with their antics, ignore their kicking, pulling, etc but be perfectly responsive, energetic, and just a bit cheeky with my kids as they got older & more skilled.

Until last year :-( I leased him out to a woman with 2 young kids but they 'lost interest' soon after. Dunno what happened but after 10 yrs of being the perfect kids pony, he's now nervous of having little beginners on him! Have had vet & chiro out to him, pretty sure it's not physical. He is still great on the ground with littlies. We are all way too big to ride him to check him out & get him over it tho...
 
#31 ·
and that is what I call abusive........ horses need a partner and they need a strong bond....doing what interstellar said will break that bond. POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT when he does something good give him a treat or a hug, pat and a good boy....once he knows you do that he will want to do more good than bad. When he does do bad don't go ape and yell,holler, hit him. Just say a firm NO...and there you have it a dream horse.
I too am big on +R(positive reinforcement) and it certainly does reduce the amount of 'correction' that is necessary, among other 'good effects'. I believe it is not only most effective in training but the best & most vital of the '4 quadrants' to focus on, if you want a willing friend, not just a... servant.

But I do not believe it negates any punishment, or that fairly & reasonably 'correcting' a horse for 'wrong' behaviour destroys the bond, any more than *not* correcting & using solely +R necessarily leads to either a strong 'bond' or a behaviourally 'dream' horse. Same goes for kids & other animals, for that matter.

And it's also important to understand exactly what 'positive reinforcement' and 'punishment' actually means, so understand that hugging and patting a horse can effectively be punishment, and as with other innately meaningless 'cues' such as 'good boy' can become meaningful with training and association with +R, but are not strictly positive reinforcement of themselves.
 
#36 · (Edited)
Ugh! Just lost my detailed post. Here goes again...

and that is what I call abusive........
Charlie, we ALL read/interpret others words in our own way, based on our own experiences & attitudes. That is entirely reasonable. Especially on internet forums where we only have the written word to go on, misunderstandings are rife. We need to keep all that in mind & be careful not to judge, to accuse, based on our interpretation which may be far from the facts of the matter. When not ultra sure, ultra clear, I always try to assume the best of people, not the worst. Not that I always succeed, but I do think it's an important principle for good, respectful forum discussions ;-)

Now, before I go on, having studied behavioural psych, this is a subject I'm passionate about, so I'm going to... go on!

I appreciate what I say may seem purely semantics to some, but I feel that if we're going to use behavioural terminology and theory, it's important to understand the proper meanings & effects. And I don't think it's just about semantics, but that it does also help us to USE those principles more effectively in training too.

So without further ado...
My horses get positive reinforcement all the time as well as negative. Positive reinforcement comes when they do something good that I am asking of them. Usually in the form of a release of pressure. A hug or pat is... that's nothing. A horse's number one reward is a release of pressure.
Release/removal of pressure is NOT +R but is *negative* reinforcement. It's common for people to think of positive = Good & negative = Bad. But in this context they mean addition or subtraction. The '4 quadrants' of training are;

Positive Reinforcement(+R) = Adding something DESIRABLE in order to strengthen a behaviour. Eg giving a treat or scratchie etc at the time of a good behaviour.

Negative Reinforcement(-R) = Removing something UNDESIRABLE in order to strengthen a behaviour. Eg removing leg or rein pressure at the time of a good behaviour.

Positive Punishment(+P) = Adding something UNDESIRABLE in order to weaken a behaviour. Eg giving a smack, touching an electric fence.

Negative Punishment(-P) = Removing something DESIRABLE in order to weaken a behaviour. Eg removing feed, putting a child into 'time out', losing your license for speeding.

It's important to understand the pros & cons of these 'quadrants' to understand how to use them fairly & most effectively. Eg...

- any of these things can be associated with other behaviours/attitudes/emotions going on at the time, so for eg. you can inadvertently +R nippy or 'rude' behaviour if you're not careful;

- negative reinforcement implies something unpleasant (albeit often mildly) must be going on, for it to be reinforcing for it to be removed, so it can effectively mean +P is also involved;

- positive punishment can be misunderstood, cause fear, resentment, etc. Also when it(or -R) is overused, or used without also +R, the 'side effects' are generally greater.

- negative punishment can work great for humans, who have the capacity to understand abstracted cause & effects, but generally has little if any value for other animals, to whom it difficult/impossible for them to understand because it is not instantaneous enough.

Take pawing in the cross ties. If I have a horse doing it I'll stick close by and every time they go for it I give them a firm smack on the shoulder along with a verbal sound.
Soon they learn that the sound equates a tap, and the sound works by itself.
This is a good eg. of how to teach an animal to respond to an innately meaningless cue. It's important to understand that these sounds, actions, whatever, aren't reinforcing or punishing of themselves, but by association gain meaning. The above eg. is of a 'secondary punisher'. While praise, or a clicker is an eg. of a 'secondary (+)reinforcer', aka 'bridging signal', telling the horse an actual positive reinforcement is coming/likely/deserved.

Slapping/patting and hugging a horse around the neck are more egs of things that horses don't generally find pleasant, desirable, and very often find quite UNpleasant - so of themselves they can actually be a punisher. But they too can be made meaningful by associating them well with actual reinforcement - a treat, release of pressure, etc.
 
#37 ·
If your horse is consistently bucking you off and kicking at you, that's a safety risk. Everyone is allowed to have a personality, but when it starts to cause bodily harm to others is where I draw the line because that's not just personality. I'd say to get another trainer to work with you and your horse. It's not good for your horse to continue this behaviour, and it's not safe for you. As an equestrian, you can expect to get bucked off a few times in your life, and acquire some scrapes and bruises along the way, but it should never be a normal thing. You don't want to end up in the hospital, or have multiple concussions that can cause long term damage, etc etc. So yeah, basically as people have said before, get a new trainer.
 
#39 ·
"Years ago I had the sweetest Arab mare who was my trail and endurance partner. She was perfect at a walk and trot but ask for a canter and there would be one good hop and off we'd go...every single time. I loved that horse."

I too had an Arab mare that did this. Got a chiropractic adjustment for her and she never did it again.
 
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