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post #11 of 17 Old 11-06-2016, 04:10 AM
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I am far more in agreement with Reining in that this has become a habit - he has learned that he can buck people off to get out of work, ...
...And continually does this behaviour because it has proven an effective tactic. That, and your eg, to me, is what can be called a habit. I'm a bit confused what you disagree with Reining on - is it just the choice of lable? If so, curious as to how you classify a 'habit'?
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...And continually does this behaviour because it has proven an effective tactic. That, and your eg, to me, is what can be called a habit. I'm a bit confused what you disagree with Reining on - is it just the choice of lable? If so, curious as to how you classify a 'habit'?
I said I agreed with Reining not disagreed!

For me a habit it a learned behaviour, good or bad.

The local knackerman would take horses and ponies for killing, often these were laminitis or behavioural mostly ponies. He would send these ponies to me.
I arrived back from exercise to find an iron grey 12 hand (max) pony tied in the yard. It was a 5 year old Welsh pony classed as unrideable. Heck, that pony could buck! I had a hold of hos head and kept it up and he catapulted a good little rider 6 feet across the arena.
He had nothing wrong with him, he had just learned how to drop a rider.

I left the children to keep riding him whilst I escorted a ride out. When I returned he was tired but still dropping them. I got on the little so and so and immediately set him off at a canter, hos head was parallel to the ground where I was keeping it up so, in the corner he threw himself on the ground! When he did it a second time everyone piled on top of him so he was smothered. Never bucked again!

When an animal learns it can get away with something it will continue to do so. With the bucking habit it has to be sorted out from on top, not from the ground.
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^Oh oops, pardon for reading wrongly! Must have had my eyes on back to front!
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post #14 of 17 Old 11-06-2016, 10:35 PM
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He cannot be ridden without him bucking and doing all sorts of silly things to unseat the rider. Crow hopping, spinning, bucking, trying to scrape the rider off on the fence, just to name a few. I have had over a dozen people ride him, and only three of us have not been tossed off within two minutes of getting on.!
This doesn't sound like an ex-"working cattle ranch" horse, this sounds like an ex-kids horse. I agree with the other posters here, you will have to ride him through it and loosie's suggestion of a grass rein can help you do it.

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post #15 of 17 Old 11-07-2016, 07:27 AM Thread Starter
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So I've got an update!

My boy and I have been working daily since I posted first, and let me just tell you, he has made HUGE strides in a very short time. I changed up his bit to a twisted wire snaffle and bought a gel pad, and have spent a few hours each day working with him on the ground in addition to riding. For whatever reason, he has not tried to buck off one person in days. Not even a single little bounce. I swapped the saddle pad back to the previous one I was using just to see if that was the issue, but he didn't bat an eye. Maybe it was the bit?? I'm stumped as to what it was, but I'm **** sure not gonna complain that we don't play rodeo anymore! He and I will keep at it, I don't think all the issues have been magically cured somehow, maybe he's just figuring out I'm not that bad. Lol
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What has been done by the vet in the way of diagnostics? X-rays, ultrasound, MRIs? At this point, there could be all sorts of things going on inside this horse, that are causing this.

We had a TB colt that was just as nice as good be, other than was a cryptorchid. When he went to FL to be trained, he kept pulling up when he was being breezed, and after looking into it, they found the other testicle was under his spine, right where saddle and rider were, causing pain.

Could be a deep abscess, could be muscle tear, could be broken, or sprung ribs could be many things and not fair to horse to keep doing anything, until you have a definitive answer that there is nothing wrong.

At the same time, letting all of these others ride him, and get thrown, is opening you up to a major lawsuit if one of them gets killed, or God forbid, paralyzed.

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Great to hear he's quit broncing OP, but a twisted wire snaffle... OUCHIE! Please reconsider such a harsh bit & use it very carefully.

You're in the 'natural horsemanship' section, which is essentially about working WITH the horse, without harsh methods & equipment.
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