If you have an un trained horse, are you going to try and do some ground work out in the wide open spaces?
The round pen, is atool, for short term putting some very basic fundamentals on a horse, BEFORE he is saddled and ridden...
...why use the lick and chew ?, because it is body language, same as how a horse uses his tail, his ears, his body posture, and various vocal sounds
...You are also always thinking of a broke hrose, versus one never really yet taught boundaries...
Of course some work is going to be done. I bought one horse totally unridden (Lilly) and had her trained. And the lady who trained her later gave me lessons in round penning a new horse.
"Lick & Chew" is NOT body language. At least, not in any certain sense. It tells us a horse has felt significant stress, and now feels less. That is all.
The title of this thread is based on what I was taught when I took round pen lessons, and while I watched Lilly being trained prior to her first ride: Does licking and chewing mean the horse is "digesting a thought"?
I was told it MEANT the horse had learned the lesson and was putting it into long term memory. But the people who study behavior say that is not true. They say it is like me checking my speedometer and sighing after seeing a cop car.
No particular lesson. And no, seeing a cop car does not bring me terror or overwhelming stress. But it gives me concern, at least.
I also wish to repeat that my own belief is that licking and chewing CAN mean something good, depending on the total picture. If I ask Bandit to do something he isn't sure he can do, and he is successful, he may lick & chew for a moment. And get light on the front end, and curve his neck, and act quite proud of himself. All good. He's processing something good: "I didn't know if I could do it, but I did! I DID it! I'm such a fine horse!
And at times like that, I'll scratch his neck and tell him he is "Bandit the Brave! Bandit the Bold! Bandit the Strong!
" And Bandit, with equine modesty, agrees!
But I remember looking, during a lesson given by an experienced local professional, at a horse with heaving sides, sweating hard, head down, licking and chewing - and being told I had done well. That I was teaching the horse "trust".
Well, you picked two trainers that I have no use for, so tell me what you find offensive in Stacy;s video, when she uses that lick and chew to read ahorse, so we have some common ground to discuss
I picked two famous trainers with many followers. I will download and watch Stacy's video sometime during the next day or so. My Internet is leisurely at best, and we're starting the time of day when it crawls.
But again: For years, I was taught that licking & chewing MEANS the horse is learning, and "digesting its lesson". My point is not that it is total evil, but that it is frequently misinterpreted. I don't panic if my horse licks & chews after something, but neither do I assume it means he learned anything good. He isn't digesting a thought. He is just going from a time of stress to a time of lower stress.
That may be good: Bandit doing something that challenged him. Or bad: Cowboy scared in ANY round pen.
I also want to emphasize NO ONE has to agree with my conclusions. I'm a total nobody in training. I wanted to present some opposing views by some people who study horse behavior professionally. And anyone can disagree with them, too! It is OK. I disagree with a number of scientists and studies. But I also like thinking about WHY I have come to certain conclusions. And sometimes, after years of thinking something, I change my mind or views...