both need their hooves worked on and if I can't get a halter on them they for sure won't let the Ferrier mess with them. Thanks for the response and the tips.
Yes, and it's not the place of a fArrier to train a horse, or to put himself in harms way & try to just do the job because a horse is not well trained. And for this reason & to be able to do other health related stuff that may be needed, you need to get a trainer to teach them ASAP.
It's simply way beyond the scope of a forum to teach a beginner from scratch, how to train horses from scratch. I agree mostly with Tiny's & Equil's advice, but simply following 'instructions' like this is not adequate, as there are so many 'ifs buts & maybes' to do with stuff like timing, bodylanguage etc, that governs when/why you might/might not do some specific, that I feel there is no good substitute for good hands on training, when both you & the horses don't know what's what.
The one thing I disagree with in Tiny's & reason why I think it's important...
If she comes to you, then pet her just once or twice on the nose,
Horses do what works, they quit doing what doesn't work. And they learn from instant consequences. So if you're teaching a horse to come to you when asked, especially when she's already shown she doesn't like/doesn't trust you to touch her(so at this point it's effectively a punishment
for her), then I would not attempt to do anything to her like that when she came to you. Instead I'd reward her with something desirable for coming/facing you. I'd teach the horse to come & stay with you when you ask confidently first. Then
I'd work on getting her comfortable being touched. Bearing in mind it's currently a Bad Thing for her that she doesn't like, I'd pair it with something Good like a bit of carrot. You may start with just a fleeting touch, to wherever is least threatening/uncomfortable for her, but she only gets the carrot AS she allows you to touch her. After associating touch with Good Stuff, then you can start asking her to accept a touch before
giving her a bit of carrot - but remembering horses need instant consequences to learn, still ensure you give the reward immediately following your touch.
Once you get that, you have a 'foundation' to start teaching her to accept gradually longer & in different places. Then you can do the same to get her happy with being touched with ropes, halter, etc.