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post #1 of 34 Old 06-12-2007, 11:40 PM Thread Starter
 
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okay so i started training with this trainer and started to lease a horse from another one of his students and we both take lessons from him but now he is insisting I ride with draw reins and i haaaaattteee draw reins, they just dont feel kosher to me. so im thinking i want a new trainer but im worried that because his owner will continue to ride him in draw reins it will be pointless because they'll just continue to ruin him with them :( i dont know what to do...
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post #2 of 34 Old 06-13-2007, 02:37 AM
 
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Don't be so quick to leave your trainer because of draw reins. When used in the right hands they can be beneficial, I don't agree with using gadgets all the time as a crutch but once in a while to remind the horse how to go or to fix a specific problem is ok. Try schooling the horse (outside of a lesson) without them and see how it goes if it's fine explain to the trainer that you think the horse is ready to go without them. Personally I find them extremly helpful along with a slow twist once a week with the oldenburg/tb mare I'm taking care of as she get REALLY heavy in the hands yet is somehow light on the forhand and I just can't take that kind of weight as I'm 5'2" and my trainer who is a fit man has some trouble as well. So yes try without and discuss your concerns with the trainer any good trainer will listen
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post #3 of 34 Old 06-13-2007, 06:59 AM
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That was very severe JR!

Used correctly and infrequently they can be very benificial. I can ride perfectly well thanks and even i use them on occasion. Not very often mind!

I usually use them if my mare becomes rigid in her jaw, she may only be 15.3hh but shes stupidly strong and id rather encourage her head carriage with draw reins than battle with her and to keep nagging!! My pet hate is riders that nag their horses....it completely switches them off. I would rather use them once to get my point accross and then not needing to use them again or to keep asking and fighting!

She does not require them to be tight at all, and she is never forced or held in an outline by them they are simply an encouragement technique on my part, and stay on a max of ten minutes!

Anyway just my opinion of course! A horse should not be ridden in them frequently!!! This teaches the horse nothing except when it doesnt have them on it can poke its nose and do what ever it likes due to its head not being held down- thats when they are used incorrectly!

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post #4 of 34 Old 06-13-2007, 08:28 AM Thread Starter
 
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I agree they are okay to use on rare occasions but we used them pretty much the entire lesson and he even had me jump him with them on and doesnt use a neck strap to ensure he wont hook his leg on one, do yo think that is safe? we're only jumping about 3ft so maybe we dont need one. i want to trust my trainer but i've researched them and they seem to be really cruel when overused, i dont know who to beleive and just dont want to hurt my horse or riding career
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I never heard of using a neck strap to hold them out of the way? I think that would change the action. Good trainers use them my trainer has competed up to the 3* level and was longlisted for the 2004 olympics until they (his horse and him) were in a trailer accident, also a Successful Grand Prix showjump trainer at my barn uses them. I agree with hsharp123 it's better than making the horse dead to your aids. If you worry about the him catching a leg put the draw reins on the side of the girth or get the kind you can snap on to the center ring of a hunt breastplate.Goodluck!
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post #6 of 34 Old 06-13-2007, 12:06 PM
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I must admit when i was riding a 17.1hh hanoverian horse of my trainers, she had me jumping 4ft in draw reins?? I didnt question her about it as she said it was because he can be a thug and very strong when he gets his head up and that he is lazy in using himself over a fence.

He seemed fine in them though!!?

Does your horse have a real issue with taking a contact and rounding without them.....? Maybe he is trying to help your horse build up the correct muscles in order to find it easier for him to stay in an outline later on??

Ask your trainer.......the best thing to do is ask when you dont know....maybe he has a plan for your horse? and he is just implimenting it at the moment?

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post #7 of 34 Old 06-13-2007, 12:12 PM
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WHY is he using them and WHY draw reins?
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post #8 of 34 Old 06-13-2007, 01:54 PM Thread Starter
 
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he says he uses them because it helps get him into the frame he wants and says that he can do in 20 minutes with draw reins what would take him an hour without them. we used a running martingale before now but he does tend to come up against the hand and gets really on the forehand after jumps sometimes.
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post #9 of 34 Old 06-13-2007, 02:17 PM
 
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I'd say thats alright just careful to not land on his mouth. Draw reins sounds like a less painful for you and him way to teach the him and it sounds like when the horse learns they will come off. Like it was pointed out using them is helpful if it prevents a struggle that wouldn't teach the horse anything other than he doesn't like being ridden.
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post #10 of 34 Old 06-13-2007, 06:16 PM
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In this case I think it's a band-aid for a gaping hole in the training. Continuing this will manifest, especially when working over fences. I, personally, would not trust this trainer.
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