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post #21 of 140 Old 05-04-2011, 10:28 AM
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Well said Cherie and I really like the title. Do we have permission to link to this thread wherever appropriate?!

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post #22 of 140 Old 05-04-2011, 10:35 AM
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Excellant thread!

I've been trying very hard to get this across to my 2 Little Riding Buddies that I mentor. One 12, one 14 - and whenever they are riding their horses, they don't make a plan. They don't have a game plan to follow, they just ride around free willy nilly, same thing day in, day out, no working on anything particular, no trying to improve their quality of ride - nothing.

I try to emphasize to them that when they go home from this particular days ride, to sit down with a piece of paper and write down their goals on one side and what they feel they need to fix on the other side. When they do that, to pick 1 thing out of that list they made, to work on the next day.

It hasn't quite sunk in yet. Work in progress, lol.

I hear from them, while we ride, how they blame their horses for this incident or that incident, etc, etc - and I try my best to correct their train of thought - from them blaming their horses, to having them take a step back and try to see how they played a big role in the drama that incurred.

I too hope that the young riders read this :)

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post #23 of 140 Old 05-04-2011, 11:28 AM
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I agree with all that. But for the plan... I have tried many many times. But when I come to my horse, finally, I can only decide on short-terms plan in so far as what we do depends on his spirit at the moment. I know what general idea I have for the day, I know if we are in the arena I want this and that, and if we take a walk this and that. But I mostly "follow" what he seems to need, what I seem to need. Sometimes I come and want to work on good transitions, and he just does them perfectly at once... so I try to come out with another idea, and if I can't think of something I will be able to teach and learn properly, we just go out, he loves that and there the goals are: keeping showing him I'm a deserving leader and efficient protector, keeping helping him manage his fears, and enjoying ourselves together as a team. I also take advantage of his energy on the straight roads to improve leg-yielding and see that it is done even with birds or dogs all around, shoulder-in too we had our first ones while walking on a road...

All I know for sure is that I want to have a horse that is calm, energetic, willing to answer to all my suggestions, and I want us to be comfortable and improve our relationship each time we see each other, even when it is just to take him to his pasture, or to give him a good grooming and massage. But then, when we work, the moves I ask him to do are not foretold, I prepare things, I ask simple things and then more complicated things, and so on, but there is no real plan... But I do keep a diary/journal in which I write every tiny detail of the hours spent with him, any glance, any impression is written down and I reread it before I go to see my horse, to see what we did last times, and how I can improve us, and keep him interested in me.
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post #24 of 140 Old 05-11-2011, 06:30 PM
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I 100% agree and that is constantly on my mind. Now of course some days are a lot simpler in training than others, but I still train. I have a friend who is very much the "I just want to ride, not train" and he now is FORCED to train on the ground every time he comes out because he bought a horse that has a bolting problem. When he first got the gelding (who was owned by timid handlers and riders!) he worked with him and we had the bolting under control as long as we trained on it several days a week. Even if it was simply 5min before a ride, he had a refresher on respect every day. After a couple months of just riding, then most of the winter off, the horse is WORSE than before due to lack of owner wanting to deal with the issues because hed rather just ride a pleasant trail horse. Now his horse bolts in hand and under saddle as well as kicks and bucks AT YOU in the round pen. After many many arguments and months of convincing him to work with his horse he is finally coming out and letting me guide him through the terrible training he was so afraid of. its a work in progress, but atleast hes working now! I do have to constantly point out to him though that he is always training his horse, even when hes just going out to feed him a treat and give him a pat! Most people are able to go out pat and give a carrot and not worry, but with this pushy disrespectful gelding even giving a treat his training simply because he wants to plow into you with his shoulder and push you around. the owner would let him push into him, then hed step aside, and the gelding would keep doing it. The owner couldnt understand for the longest time that things such as that, as small as it may seem, are disrespectful and dominating and that the owner is in fact teaching him that these actions are ok and are, in fact, REWARDED by the person giving in. I truly wish people would get out of this mentality that they want to just ride. If thats the case buy a golf cart, not a horse. Im not saying every horse needs every single second to be training...but in order to get to that respectful and polite easy mount a lot of training needs to happen, and then small corrections are made each ride to keep from bad behaviors developing. If only if only..... :) This way of thinking is one of the reasons why I like Clinton Anderson, because he asks nice, then tells, then demands....doesnt nag nag nag until he gets the response or until he just decides hell try something else. Also, when a horse misbehaves he corrects it QUICK and with as much force as necessary. I love that you pointed out that when I horse turns you dont circle them that way to get them back on track, you pull them back the opposite way they just turned. Its a HUGE pet peeve of mine that others do that and I see it constantly. When I point it out Im often told that I am too nit-picky about what the horse is doing and that its not a big deal theyll get back on track one way or another. It truly is those 'small' things such as that that lead to the REALLY big things! Im sure my friends gelding probably starting out just turning away, but now has developed such a quick bolt no one can stop him. When I started training with him he had a saddle put on and the longe line went from the bit to under the girth back to my hand. that way when he bolted and I pulled he got his head yanked straight back to his barrel. He tried it twice and never tried it again until the training for bolting stopped for 5 months and then one day the instinct to bolt came back. yes the method may seem harsh, but this horse bolted if you simply asked him to step forward and more than once he ran through a fence.

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post #25 of 140 Old 05-13-2011, 10:03 AM
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Wonderful post! I started riding very late in life and at first all I wanted to do was "go for a nice ride." It took awhile but eventually I understood that my horse, who wasn't terribly well-trained when I got him, was getting more and more out of control - and it was my fault.

Then I had to think long and hard about whether I was truly willing to put in the time required before I could just "go for a nice ride", because I knew that if I wasn't, I should just give up horses altogether.

Eventually I traded that horse for one that was extremely well-trained, and now I'm learning how to KEEP her well-trained. And it's a joy, an absolute joy, when my horse acknowledges my leadership.
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post #26 of 140 Old 05-24-2011, 08:19 PM
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So what is a new rider to do ?

Great post! The problem that I am faced with is... What is a new rider to do? I don't possess the skills to know exactly when the horse is "testing" me. I take lessons on a really great horse but when I ride a horse that I have been wanting to purchase that doesn't listen to me , I really don't know how to respond. I feel like I should be taking lessons on a less trained horse to get the feel. I leave my lessons very confident and feel really stupid when I get on a prospect that I take a test ride on and it doesn't do what I ask of it. The owner can get on the horse and it does exactly what he asks it to do.

I'm just very frustrated and I don't even own a horse yet. Am I over thinking this and will it be something I just have to learn on my own?

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post #27 of 140 Old 05-24-2011, 09:17 PM
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Welcome to the forum!

As a brand new rider, I would suggest taking a trainer along with you. A trainer that knows your skills who can assess the horse you are considering, will point you in the right direction.

I strongly suggest looking for a finished horse that a beginner can ride and learn from. In a rider and horse situation, one of them has to know something and if you are the one learning, you need a horse that knows.

I'm not arguing with you, I'm just explaining why I'm right.

Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.

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post #28 of 140 Old 05-25-2011, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by iridehorses View Post
Welcome to the forum!

As a brand new rider, I would suggest taking a trainer along with you. A trainer that knows your skills who can assess the horse you are considering, will point you in the right direction.

I strongly suggest looking for a finished horse that a beginner can ride and learn from. In a rider and horse situation, one of them has to know something and if you are the one learning, you need a horse that knows.
As someone who was once a beginner on an unfinished horse, I strongly second this! How long have you been taking lessons? Do you maybe need a little more time to gain confidence before buying a horse? Just a suggestion.
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There are two distinctly different ways of teaching horsemanship. I am afraid that most teachers / trainers teach equitation form -- not the fine art of handling and controlling a horse's mind and actions.

We have run into many wannabe horsemen and horsewomen that have taken years of useless lessons teaching them how to sit up there and be real pretty with their feet in just the right position, their shoulders back, their chin up and their hands just perfect, holding the reins just perfectly. Then, when they want the horse to go north and he plainly wants to go south, they are absolutely lost as to how to get him to do what they want. They have never learned how to EFFECTIVELY handle those reins; They have not learned when to pull and when to push; They have not learned how to apply the right amount of pressure to the point where the horse needed it and more importantly, they have not learned when to release that pressure. You cannot sit up there and look pretty and 'hope' the horse goes the right direction and the right speed.

I see people all of the time that have never learned (or been taught) how to handle a horse out in the open around horses they do not know.

A person gains confidence when they know they are in control. Equitation type instructors plainly do not teach control. They do not teach what to do when the 'push-button' horse their student is riding suddenly has a 'come-apart' and the 'buttons' short out.

I strongly urge people that want to advance their riding skills to find a mentor that can get a lot done on a horse in the 'real' world. You will never gain the confidence to ride outside on unknown trails if you only ride in an arena on a push-button old school horse.
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