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post #81 of 85 Old 04-22-2019, 03:40 AM
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^yeah no worries, no reason to apologise. I am used to people being confused by the difference & definition between positive & negative reinforcement - I have studied behavioural psych but of course appreciate not everyone is on that 'page'... what 'caught' me was that you were discussing operant conditioning etc.

If you were so fascinated by what you've learned so far, my bet is that you would really enjoy learning more about behavioural psych!

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Apparently, they are light years ahead of us (in some respects) Down Under.
Pretty sure Alex kurland is European, many famous behaviorist are American, but I don't think we're that much (if at all) behind the times on this front in Oz...

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To Equilibrium: Maybe you would like to enlighten all of us. What is this plus and minus stuff? Do you have advice for the person who posed the original question?
Plus (+) and Minus (-) is positive and negative, respectively. R and P is reinforcement and punishment, respectively.

+R (Positive Reinforcement) = The adding of a desired stimulus to reinforce a desired behavior. For example, giving a cookie to a horse that comes when called.

-R (Negative Reinforcement) = The removal of an undesired stimulus to reinforce a desired behavior. For example, you stop (release) waving your arms (pressure) when your horse backs.

+P (Positive Punishment) = The adding of an undesired stimulus to "punish"/correct/stop a undesired behavior. For example, you hit you horse that just bit you.

-P (Negative Reinforcement) = The removal of a desired stimulus to "punish"/correct/stop an undesired behavior. For example, two horses are fighting over a hay pile, so you remove the hay.

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When is -P used with horses?

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My examples are kind of bad, but hopefully you get the idea.
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When is -P used with horses?
I would say rarely - I think your eg about hay is fine but don't think that sort of tactic is generally well understood by a horse. This particular subject is one eg it could be tho - you go to offer the horse a treat for something, but he's 'rude' so you withhold it.

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I would say rarely - I think your eg about hay is fine but don't think that sort of tactic is generally well understood by a horse. This particular subject is one eg it could be tho - you go to offer the horse a treat for something, but he's 'rude' so you withhold it.
Yeah. I just couldn't think of any other situation of -P. I don't think -P is as "strong" (compared +R, -R, and +P), especially with animals.
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