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post #41 of 77 Old 12-24-2013, 06:45 AM
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My Arab only tosses her head when her tack is hurting her (saddle slid and is pinching or saddle slid and now breast collar is to tight). If she still has wolf teeth the pressure from the halter could be aggravating them (they can HURT). I would have a vet look at them.
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post #42 of 77 Old 12-24-2013, 11:22 PM
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When I first got Gilbert he did a lot of head shaking. I tried riding him in a rope halter and he didn't do it. I had the vet out to float his teeth which I found out was way over due after talking to the previous owner. I rode him in a rope halter for about 2 weeks before trying the bit again. The difference was amazing. There was no head shaking unless he saw a spot of grass that he wanted to nibble on. I mostly ride in a 12 acre pasture. This shaking was a behavior problem so I make him move his feet. Now when we ride, it's like he's saying "Let me do what the lady wants and I will get that grass much quicker."
I usually remove the reins and walk around the pasture for awhile and let him graze for a bit. He usually just nibble and follow me around. He has no problem eating with his bit.
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I used the mechanical hackamore, but made sure the top was smooth flat leather, not the braided leather over a chain. I had the chin chain very loose. My older horses loved them, did not toss their heads in them, and would with the snaffles with or w/o chin straps, d rings or O rings.
If she is not trained to a bit, it will take some time to get her used to one, and could encourage more head tossing, I would tip the nose out when they started head tossing.
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It could be any number of problems from teeth to something as bad as tmj and headaches or it might just be a training problem. It might even be the rope halter. The reason those things are effective is because of the placement of the knots. They lay on nerve bundles on the horses face and when presure is applied it causes pain. Get a vet out to rule out anything and if all is well then ride her again in bosal. Honestly though in my opinion if you are unsure enough about a horse to post about it here then the horse probably won't be a good fit for you. I would keep looking until you find that perfect match that becomes your new soul mate. Trust me when you find him you'll know and there won't be any question about it
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It could be any number of problems from teeth to something as bad as tmj and headaches or it might just be a training problem. It might even be the rope halter. The reason those things are effective is because of the placement of the knots. They lay on nerve bundles on the horses face and when presure is applied it causes pain. Get a vet out to rule out anything and if all is well then ride her again in bosal. Honestly though in my opinion if you are unsure enough about a horse to post about it here then the horse probably won't be a good fit for you. I would keep looking until you find that perfect match that becomes your new soul mate. Trust me when you find him you'll know and there won't be any question about it
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I will always be unsure about any horse because I'm a beginner, and I trust the advice of people more experienced than I am. I just want to do the right thing by the horse and me, so that's why I bring my questions here. It's easy for me to fall for a horse emotionally, but I want to be using my head and not my heart when it comes to this decision. :)
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When I first got Gilbert he did a lot of head shaking. I tried riding him in a rope halter and he didn't do it. I had the vet out to float his teeth which I found out was way over due after talking to the previous owner. I rode him in a rope halter for about 2 weeks before trying the bit again. The difference was amazing. There was no head shaking unless he saw a spot of grass that he wanted to nibble on. I mostly ride in a 12 acre pasture. This shaking was a behavior problem so I make him move his feet. Now when we ride, it's like he's saying "Let me do what the lady wants and I will get that grass much quicker."
I usually remove the reins and walk around the pasture for awhile and let him graze for a bit. He usually just nibble and follow me around. He has no problem eating with his bit.
Since it's been 2 years since the last dental check, I'm going to bet she at least needs her teeth floated.
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I will always be unsure about any horse because I'm a beginner, and I trust the advice of people more experienced than I am. I just want to do the right thing by the horse and me, so that's why I bring my questions here. It's easy for me to fall for a horse emotionally, but I want to be using my head and not my heart when it comes to this decision. :)
Yeah, it’s funny but when you are inexperienced it’s hard to find your “soul mate” horse, but strangely, when you have years of experience you can get along with almost any horse and have it for a “soul mate”. You seem to be on the right track. Try a few things, see what the horse responds to; due to inexperience, expect things to not work out just right, and for you and the horse to be confused, and always try to have someone with experience and a good knowledge of training horses around to talk to and soak up everything like a sponge, from horse trainers, and the horse.
As long as you have concern to learn for the benefit of the horse and you, you will do fine.
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Thank you, AnrewPL! I will definitely be following your advice. :)
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This horse is 1/2 arab, so maybe that's what it is! That would be nice. :)

I talked to the owner about the teeth. She said she has wolf teeth that aren't pulled but never bothered her before and her teeth were last floated 2 years ago. That seems like too long to me!

So maybe it's a dental thing or the arab thing. I can live with either of those, because if it's a dental thing, I can fix it, and if it's just an arab thing, I can learn to live with it. I just didn't want it to be a sign of something very bad to come.
Ok those wolf teeth are a problem and will always hurt the horse when you ride. Look these people sound like the scum of the horse world who are taking advantage of you to make a buck. They don't care about the horse which is why they can't be bothered to spend $30 once a year to float her teeth. Oh and not to mention they lied to you about it not being a problem. There's a reason wolf teeth get pulled before a horse is broke to ride. The wolf teeth are the first set in front of the molars and if they're still in the bit can't sit properly and it smacks into those teeth with every cue from the reins. I bought a rescue a little over a year ago and we couldn't figure out why he would shack his head every time we put the bridle on. One day I happened to look in his mouth and there they were. Its been over a year now and it still takes 10 minutes to get a bridle on which is a huge improvement to 45, all because he has developed the habit already. Just remember even if you do have her teeth done old habits die hard so be prepared to retrain which might take a month or it could be years. Depends on the horse. The real thing you need to think about is if they lied about it not bothering her ( which obviously she shacks her head) what else have they lied about to make a quick buck.you need to find a good vet that can see through the bs and tell him everything you know about the situation before having do a vet check on the horse. Then ask for his honest opinion about if you should buy her or not. If you do buy her have a contract written up because there is no lemon law when it comes to horses so you need to cover yourself. You wouldn't want to get her home and find out they lied about something serious and now you're the one stuck with the vet bills. I live out in tennessee and you see that all the time out here. I actually have a crazy pony that my ex bought for his son in july. The owner druged the horse and said she was perfectly trained. After him giving up I'm now the one stuck with her because it would be irresponsible of me to sell a horse I know is dangerous. So now I'm busy training a pony I don't want instead of working with my eventers. Be very careful when buying a horse and always make sure you cover your behind
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Another thing too is to be realistic. You don't know the horse is perfect for you by going out and seeing her once or twice. That takes months of work before you know. Always make sure you use your logic and not your emotions. Emotions seem to always get people in trouble when it comes to horses. I've been there done that and in the end it caused a lot of heartache. So take your time and look at other horses as well. In fact go look at 5 or even 10 this weekend. Then write out a list of what you like and go from there. Always take your time and don't get attached to an animal that isn't yours even if they could be in the future they still aren't yours until you write the check. Always remember that and you'll do just fine
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