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post #1 of 10 Old 09-14-2019, 09:19 PM Thread Starter
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Just a little help needed :)

Hi, I have a Gelding he is an Anglo Arabian, with a bit of an attitude problem, he is always threatening to bite kick etc but doesn't go on with the attack, but I am really over the threats, what is the best way to stop him from doing that? Any advice is good advice, TIA :)

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post #2 of 10 Old 09-14-2019, 11:49 PM
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Hi & welcome!

Good looking horse in your profile pic! Is that Victoria Australia you're from? That's where I am.

Knee-jerk response is that you aren't very experienced/assertive & he has your number. That you would do well to find a trainer to give you some lessons in person, as there are lots of little things, such as timing and bodylanguage that are hard to 'coach' you on from only a forum or from your watching vids or such. So saying....

Highly recommend Warwick Schiller as a 'youtube trainer'. Sounds like you need to be more assertive & consistent in the 'manners' you ask for & accept. But don't blame him or get aggressive with him about it - he hasn't got an 'attitude problem' or being 'nasty', he's just being a horse & you need to teach him acceptable behaviour.

You also need to consider his point of view - why is he feeling the need to 'tell you off'? Are you not listening to him? Is something possibly hurting? Eg he's threatening when you're doing up the girth or such. Or perhaps he's feeling that he's the leader in the relationship & he is needing to remind you of your place.

Need a lot more info on your particulars to give you much here. How long have you had him? How experienced are you at training? What exactly are you doing/is going on when he gets aggressive? What have you been doing about it? ...etc
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Some info I've found helpful; [COLOR=Lime][B]www.horseforum.com/horse-health/hoof-lameness-info-horse-owners-89836/
For taking critique pics; [COLOR=Lime][B]https://www.horseforum.com/members/41...res-128437.jpg
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post #3 of 10 Old 09-15-2019, 12:09 AM
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I am going to sound harsh, but this is how I have always operated and horses in my care 100 percent safe and cuddly especially around little kids. The horse needs to know human flesh is off limits in all circumstances, period. If a horse threatens or actually assaults me or any human in any form, I will make them think they are going to die. I will come at that horse will everything I have which wouldn't equal a fraction of what an old boss mare would do if threatened by an underling. You are the boss hoss, that horse threatens you, smoke 'em a good one, remember there is nothing you can do to a 1000 pound horse that will even equal a tad of what another horse would do to them for such disrespect. After that, carry on like it never happened, no grudges. You will probably only have to do that once.
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post #4 of 10 Old 09-15-2019, 01:15 AM
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More info would help. Background on this horse , on your level of experience, what you have done so far to try to deal with this, his health, his tack , your type of riding.


Horses don't usually threaten without having a reason, even though we might not see that as a 'reason', nor can we allow it, no matter how good their reason. But, sometimes knowing the reason can help us help THEM to get past whatever is making them feel so bad that they want to bite or kick us, but don't carry through with it.


Whatever you do, please do something and not just allow it to continue on, in this 'stuck' place where you are making each other miserable..


if you have video of your interaction with him, this would be good to view.
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post #5 of 10 Old 09-15-2019, 08:20 AM Thread Starter
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Thank you for your reply's, yes it's Victoria Australia, I live not far from Phillip Island :) I have owned him for two years, there was not a lot of information about his past, his previous owner apparently owned him for three years and said he is great to ride with no issues at all, I have had a couple of people out to ride as I was unable too and he was very well behaved. The problem is I can be just brushing him and he will just decide to pin his ears back and threaten to bite. I have been putting rugs on him without issue and the other day he just decided to kick out, and he did it again today for no apparent reason other than he thinks he can. So as I feel he is getting worse I thought I'd find out the right way of handling the situation. I have been around horses for a lot of years but they have been very well mannered and great to be around. I'm not experienced at all with young horses or horses with these issues. I have got a trainer coming out hopefully in October to help us but until she is able to get out I wanted to find out how to teach him that I wont put up with his threats.
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post #6 of 10 Old 09-15-2019, 02:26 PM
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I've never had a horse that objected to grooming. Can you go out into the pasture and just rub him and scratch his neck and withers without him objecting?

it's good that you are having someone out. Hopefully they will have some good advice for you. Please keep us posted.

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post #7 of 10 Old 09-15-2019, 03:52 PM
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A threat to bite would earn a hard poke on the neck with my finger and a kick would earn a hard slap on his belly.

Some horse do object to being brushed hard. The fact he is and Anglo Arab says he will be thin skinned. Use only a natural hair body brush rather than a dandy brush. If he has mud that needs removing, get three or four of the stainless steel pot scourers, unravel them and plait them into a wad. This removes the mud and even the most sensitive horse doesn't object to it.
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post #8 of 10 Old 09-15-2019, 06:16 PM
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Another grooming suggestion, if it is that he's sensitive, are these. The softest versions of them you can find. You can give a really nice rub down with them and the horses love them -- without them being as harsh as a regular curry comb. The grumpy thin-skinned Andalusian I rode last winter hated the curry but LOVED these!

Also I'm sure someone's going to mention it, but I'll be the first -- heh. If he's cranky about being groomed and cranky about being touched for blanketing... ulcers? That can make them really sensitive, aggressive/defensive, and all sorts of odd behaviours. Though if he's fine to ride, then maybe not. But something to consider in the back of your mind.

Will second the Warwick Schiller recommendation.
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post #9 of 10 Old 09-15-2019, 07:55 PM
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^Yeah, if he hates being groomed, esp around the belly or flanks, ulcers came to mind to me too. I too would not allow it - punishment should be instantaneous - pref WHEN he's threatening - but make sure you're out of kicking range in case he retaliates. But also be considerate of him, respectFUL of his bodylanguage - he would have tried to tell you he didn't like it before he threatened - and aware of possible physical discomfort such as ulcers or 'thin skin'.

Some info I've found helpful; [COLOR=Lime][B]www.horseforum.com/horse-health/hoof-lameness-info-horse-owners-89836/
For taking critique pics; [COLOR=Lime][B]https://www.horseforum.com/members/41...res-128437.jpg
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post #10 of 10 Old 09-15-2019, 08:45 PM
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Again, even if I am attempting to cut the horse's appendage off, they cannot harm human flesh, period. They can pull away, they can jump away, etc, but harming or threatening of human flesh, it's off limits, no exceptions.

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