I mean by this is that he will tuck his head so much that I’m actually forced to follow his head he does not run off or anything that physically drags me around the yard.
You said something like 'thrown around like a rag doll' which yeah, gave me a different idea to the above. I don't get what you mean by 'forced to follow his head'.
If I give him a wallop on the bum he will go forward but he will relentlessly keep his head tucked and he will stop if I give the rope a yank.[/QUOTE]
Can you not just ignore his tucked head, if he is going in the right direction? Yes, mine would stop if I put pressure on the lead, and if I put pressure behind, they would go forward/speed up. If I put ppressure - or whacked, whatever - on the side of their rump however, I'd expect them to turn & face me.
The way I train a horse is to teach them to yield, first to direct - actual touch - then implied - pointed whip, finger - pressure wherever I direct it. So I teach them to yield their forehand away by pressure to shoulder/neck/cheek. I teach them to yield their hind end away with pressure on flank/hip. Pressure out in front - or on the leadrope if I'm not in front, leading forward - means slow/stop/back up and pressure out behind means go/faster.
So, how I would handle your situation... Assuming I'd ensured the horse knew all the above up close & then at gradually increasing distance, I'd probably ignore the tucked head for now at least, but the second he *thought* about turning away, I'd put some pressure on his flank/HQ, to bring him back more into the circle. If he pulled on me, turned away, whatever, I'd make that pressure on his flank stronger & keep it up until he moved that 'quarter' back away from me. If he turned in too much, I'd direct his head away a bit & forward more. If he slowed, I'd put pressure out behind him. If he moved off in the right direction, I would praise & negatively reinforce by dropping all pressure. Let him stop if he stops, then in a few seconds, ask again. I'd get that going well, so he will go in that direction with very little pressure. Then
when he's doing well, I'd start asking him to keep going until I asked for a stop. Once you've got the basic behaviour reliable, then
you can start getting particular about 'headset' etc.[/QUOTE]
He is a strong horse so no, can’t ignore the tucked head as it’s not like tucking his chin into his chest he’s flexing and almost touching his side, honestly couldnt give a **** about his headset at present but he won’t go forward with his head flexed to the side. If you read above someone else has a similar experience and exactly what they’re describing is what’s happening.
As I said above I will be waiting to see my instructor before I go any further with him. Thanks for everyone’s replies I really appreciate the time it takes 🙂