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post #1 of 18 Old 10-19-2015, 11:02 PM Thread Starter
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Unhappy my horse wont lunge! help me please!

just about a week ago I got a 4 year old quarter horse mare. Her previous owners worked her a lot, and she seems to have been ridden some because she will let me go bareback on her and she is fine with being saddled. I really would like to teach her to lunge and have been working with her on it, but she just wont go! I have a lunge line and whip AND a roundpen, but she doesn't seem to respond to movement from behind whatsoever. she is not afraid, so i think she's just being lazy. she follows me EVERYWHERE so i cant even get her to stay at the rail. i have tried everything. whipping behind her, smacking her rump and ankles with the whip, pulling on the lead, the only thing she will do is walk to ME. she wont go forward around the round pen unless i lead her. she is not scared of the whip at all! if i whip her rump and ankles hard, she will take a step forward but then just walk over to me at the center of the round pen. i have tried keeping her pushed away but it seems impossible. I've nearly given up. any advice would be greatly appreciated!
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I'm no expert but it sounds as if someone has overdone the join-up with this mare. She has learnt that if you go out to the edge of the round pen you have to work, whereas if you stay close to your human in the centre you can rest. You're right that it does sound like she does it to evade work.

If you have someone to help you, try lunging her on a line with one person in the centre and the other leading her round the circle, until she gets the idea. When you stop, always go to her to pet and reward her, and let her relax out on the edge of the circle instead of asking her to come in for her rest time.

When you walk away from her, if she tries to follow you need to get very firm. Use the lunge whip on her shoulder to keep her off you. If you can at least get her walking forwards reliably, you can then adjust your position until she's doing a circle around you, and then keep pushing her outwards to increase the circle size. So first of all you need to establish independent movement on her part.
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Hi, agree with Bondre, that it sounds like she's been 'roundpenned'. I do not agree that her behaviour is 'lazy', or that she's doing it 'to evade work' - except in that she's been TAUGHT this is what you do to avoid being run around in circles. She just needs to be TAUGHT what is wanted of her, so you need to make the 'right' things as easy & clear as possible for her, and the 'wrong' things difficult.

Firstly, esp with a horse like this, but not only, I ask you to consider WHY you want to lunge her, what you want her to get out of it? I suggest it might be something to wait to do later, when you get 'the basics' going well... including moving away from 'pressure', whip, rope, your fingertips or otherwise.

How well does she lead & yield forward, sideways and backwards to light pressure? If she's not already good & reliable & soft at that, I'd get that going well first. Then you can put a bit of forward pressure on the lead, as you raise/swing the whip, so she'll get the idea it means go forward, not turn/stick to you. And essentially, 'lunging' is just leading/driving, but at a distance, so the way I teach it is to start up close, then gradually increase the distance.

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just about a week ago I got a 4 year old quarter horse mare. Her previous owners worked her a lot, and she seems to have been ridden some because she will let me go bareback on her and she is fine with being saddled. I really would like to teach her to lunge and have been working with her on it, but she just wont go! I have a lunge line and whip AND a roundpen, but she doesn't seem to respond to movement from behind whatsoever. she is not afraid, so i think she's just being lazy. she follows me EVERYWHERE so i cant even get her to stay at the rail. i have tried everything. whipping behind her, smacking her rump and ankles with the whip, pulling on the lead, the only thing she will do is walk to ME. she wont go forward around the round pen unless i lead her. she is not scared of the whip at all! if i whip her rump and ankles hard, she will take a step forward but then just walk over to me at the center of the round pen. i have tried keeping her pushed away but it seems impossible. I've nearly given up. any advice would be greatly appreciated!
your mare is only doing what she thinks is right, and I don't think it has to do with being lazy. it's about you not knowing how to stand, and where to apply pressure and when to. to be honest, you need more than a verbal lesson. you need someone to show you how to do it.

whacking her on the butt and ankles while she continues to face up to you will only sour her and dull her to the whip. if you are having this kind of trouble , stop mucking around with it and either get help, or just forget about lunging until you do get help.

you can get a ton of info on lunging by doing a search in the training forum for "LUNGING', but, again, you really need a mentor to show you .
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post #5 of 18 Old 10-21-2015, 05:12 PM
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https://youtu.be/8STt5d2GepA
About 7 or 8 minutes into this video he shows how your horse should be facing you in order to send them out on the lunge line. That might help :)
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post #6 of 18 Old 10-26-2015, 07:50 PM Thread Starter
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Exclamation lazy horse WILL NOT GO!

We have a young mare that we just got recently. She has obviously has been ridden and trained somewhat by her previous owners, but we're kind of reintroducing the saddle to her. today i got on her for the first time in the saddle. she is completely calm. no bucking, no kicking, no prancing, not even a single movement. so when i gave her the cue to walk on, nothing. i just kept adding pressure and squeezing but she would not move! so i eventually was nudging and even kicking her, and i could tell that she wasn't scared or anything, she was just being plain flat-out lazy and stubborn. i have considered using spurs or a whip, but i was wondering if there was an easier way. how do i get her to walk on? she will hardly even take a step!
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someone please help me!!!!!!! i really need to know how to get this horse to go! should i bring in someone to lead her? should i use a whip or spurs? or should i just keep kicking harder and harder?
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i used ALL of the leg strength i have from kicking and squeezing, but i cant even get her to take ONE STEP! i just dont know what to do
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I am by no means an expert and there are better horse people on here than myself, but here's what I do. First I squeeze with my feet. If no response I squeeze harder and cluck. If still no response, I continue the first two cues and also use the short length of rope tied to the end of my reins and I swing it back and forth over the withers. With my mare this works very well.

Now, dh just bought himself a 5-year-old mare who has been ridden quite a bit by a rider with spurs. I'm pretty sure the only cues he gave her were to kick and then kick harder, so she seems a bit desensitized to pressure from feet. She walks fine, but getting her to speed up is a challenge. She doesn't respond as well to the cues that I use for my other mare and I have had to use that length of rope to smack her on the hindquarters HARD to get her to speed up. I have no clue how I'm going to get a canter out of her when all the pressure I can muster only leads to a so-so trot. Luckily she's only going to be a trail horse so it's not too important she go fast and I have time to figure out how to work with her.

Good luck and I'm sure more experienced folks will chime in here soon.
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post #10 of 18 Old 10-26-2015, 08:49 PM Thread Starter
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Hi, agree with Bondre, that it sounds like she's been 'roundpenned'. I do not agree that her behaviour is 'lazy', or that she's doing it 'to evade work' - except in that she's been TAUGHT this is what you do to avoid being run around in circles. She just needs to be TAUGHT what is wanted of her, so you need to make the 'right' things as easy & clear as possible for her, and the 'wrong' things difficult.

Firstly, esp with a horse like this, but not only, I ask you to consider WHY you want to lunge her, what you want her to get out of it? I suggest it might be something to wait to do later, when you get 'the basics' going well... including moving away from 'pressure', whip, rope, your fingertips or otherwise.

How well does she lead & yield forward, sideways and backwards to light pressure? If she's not already good & reliable & soft at that, I'd get that going well first. Then you can put a bit of forward pressure on the lead, as you raise/swing the whip, so she'll get the idea it means go forward, not turn/stick to you. And essentially, 'lunging' is just leading/driving, but at a distance, so the way I teach it is to start up close, then gradually increase the distance.



she leads amazing, but she wants to always stick to me. and she does not respond well to pressure from behind. she doesnt respond to the whip (no matter how hard i smack her with it) and she doesnt respond to anything swinging or moving behind her. she does however respond great to pulling from the halter, just not any pressure from behind. is there some way i can encourage her to move forward without following me? (independent movement)
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