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post #21 of 26 Old 11-22-2016, 02:42 PM
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You are quite right that one can't man handle a horse, but once they have learned to intimidate human, act aggressive towards them, God has helped man invent things like stud shanks and war bridles.
Ideally, a horse never progresses to needing some lessons with these devises, but if that has been let slipped, so the horse has learned he can test a human, you have to use whatever it takes, get the lesson across, make that horse un successful in those vises, ever again, and then, and only then, can real training start.
That is also why trainers would rather have a horse handled very little, then one handled incorrectly
Since this horse became 'spoiled under your watch (not being harsh, just realistic ), I do think you need more help then advise over the internet, at this point in time, and then be set on the correct path, with a horse that has learned some basic acceptable behavior, learning how to keep that respect.
I in no means advocate going to tough measures first, but at the same time, I will use, short term, what it takes to make that horse respectful.
Even when I weaned young hroses, which I did for many years, raising hroses, they were never allowed to turn their butt to me, when I entered that stall. I did not car if it was a defensive reaction, or overtly aggressive- a kick is a kick.
I used a lunge whip, if needed, until they learned to face me. This id not make them fearful, but on the contrary, just set a great ground principle, far as our relationship
A horse could try and pull away from me, once, when I did not expect it. After that, I don't care the age of a hrose,I use a stud shank under that chin, as I am more comfortable using that, then a war bridle, and that horse learns , through physical advantage, which will translate physiologically, that I can indeed control him, and the hrose will then accept that a simple lead shank and halter will control him
Respect comes first, which will have trust follow, and then even affection and a partnership
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post #22 of 26 Old 11-24-2016, 12:00 AM
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What lilruffian said is right on spot.
I work with many stallions and young unruly colts. These are the principles that get me by with my crazy youngsters and greenies. Downfall is you really need to be able to know when to apply pressure, be though and when to take off that pressure. When you are a new horse owner and unsure, it is quite easy to be intimidated and full of doubt. Lots of "natural horsemen" that also ride and show horses use these principles and it's never a bad idea to read books from them and watch videos. Clinton Anderson would be one of them, he has a knack at explaining it really well IMO.

You need to set boundaries and be firm. No exceptions to the rule.

But the particular concept that lilruffian mentions is the one I've used and it's worked always. Now I have a barn full of sainlty stallions with excellent ground manners. My training is based on these principles and I apply it to jumping and dressage horses.

Give it a try yourself, never a bad idea to pay for a weekly lesson with a professional ;) good luck.
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post #23 of 26 Old 11-24-2016, 12:24 AM
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Hi. Be careful. My Andalusian TBH cross was 18 when I got her and she was extremely sensitive and I was way to new at horses to recognize what she was doing or not doing. I got very lucky that mine never tried to hurt me, but one as young as yours does not know.


It is hard to find a trainer without referral. I would honestly get out there and start talking to trainers and ask if you can come and observe them working with a horse etc., so you can kind of get a feel for how they train. Ask if you can observe them working with your horse as well if you do decide to use them.


What kind of riding are you interested in doing with your horse eventually?


Also you can go watch some schooling shows and see the trainers there and watch how they interact with their students and how their horses preform. You aren't necessarily looking for high scores with their horses, just relaxed horses in the ring.
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post #24 of 26 Old 11-24-2016, 11:04 AM Thread Starter
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Thanks everyone for all your thoughts and advice. I have been talking with people to get trainer numbers and I have a few to call. I have been following Clinton Anderson, Warwick Schiller, and others to help me as I work with her. I thought I had been doing well, as she was very well behaved and we were making good progress. Everybody that saw her or watched her complemented me on how well I've done.... Then this happens. As I've thought and thought about it, many sleepless nights, I realize that there were "warning signs" and things that I missed. I glossed over them, chalking it up to a baby being a baby. Shame on me. Hopefully I will find a good trainer and we can get back on track. I am planning on doing dressage with her. She has the perfect carriage for it and her dad is very accomplished.
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post #25 of 26 Old 11-24-2016, 03:44 PM
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Hi Mom, All!

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I glossed over them, chalking it up to a baby being a baby. Shame on me.
Well, not necessarily. Most all equines "test" to determine their herd status, not only each other, but their humans as well.

This seems to be particularly true of the Alpha animals. My big A-boy Oily was in a snit this morning, chasing the others around at breakfast, and generally being a butthead. I got on him about it, and he kinda faked an F-you kick at me. I got on him some more. We go way back, so I didn't have to do much more than elevate my emotional state to send him scurrying, but the point is that These Things Will Happen, and you as The Boss simply need to learn the correct responses, and be quick to apply them. Baby or not.

It's nothing to worry about or dwell on, just correct as necessary and get on with business. Watch horses out in the pasture, and you will see the same thing; a challenge, a response, and a minute later they are back to grazing. Your little girl just hasn't learned, or rather I should say _has_ learned who is The Boss, and alas it isn't always you. Consistently put her in her place when she offers to challenge you, and soon the problem will go away.

Mostly; see the above :-)

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Hello horsey people! I am a new horse owner of a 17 month old AndalusianxPercheron cross. I have had her for a year now. I know. I'm a lunatic for buying a 7 month old mare with no training experience. Luckily, she came from an excellent breeder and had a great start to life. I have been doing a lot of research and we are learning together. We have been working on lots of ground work and manners training. As always, we have our good days and our bad days.

What I need help on right now, is seeing if I can teach her, or something, to "let it go" so to speak. Here's the scenario: She is pasture boarded (which she LOVES). I came out to the barn to work with her and her pasture mate was out and being worked in the arena. I came to get her, and she was very distracted and agitated about her "buddy" being away from her. I tried some simple leading exercises out of the pasture, between the pasture and the arena, to try and refocus her and get her out of that frame of mind. Well, instead of getting better, it got worse. She began throwing a huge fit. Throwing her neck around, rearing, freaking out. I only had her on a regular lead line, nothing else to help me. I ended up having to scarily get her back into the pasture where I released her with her promptly turning and trying to kick me. I got out but it was close. Then she went on a torrent running up and down the pasture screaming.

Please know that this is not her "normal" in the slightest. However, I know that she is very bonded to the horses in her pasture no matter which pasture she is in.

So my question is: is there a way I could have handled that better? (obviously I'm sure there is) Please be gentle with me in your comments. I am doing the best I can and learning as I go.
I understand this struggle. Funnily enough, it wasn't my young horse, but his mother that gave me an issue.
This may not work for you. Every horse is different, and you do have to consider the fact that my mare is 15 and yours is a little over 1. They may think differently. Especially since this isn't your girl's normal, but it is mine, mine always acts stubbornly in every situation possible. XD

But what I did with my mare that worked was lead her away until she started fretting. Watch her body language. If she starts doing anything out of the ordinary, STOP, and wait on her to cool off. When she does, reward her by returning to the barn. Then repeat, but try and get a little further before heading back. It may take several days, weeks, maybe a month or two if it works.
I think it may work for you too, though, because they both have the exact same problem.Dixie too would fuss and rear until she either jerked the rope out of my hands, or until I was forced to let her go because I was going to get hurt.
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