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post #11 of 17 Old 04-15-2019, 10:16 PM
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I thought that she was a little aggressive to in marching up to them. But, Klaus Hempfling does the same cornering techniques as well.. I've seen him do that in plenty of videos with a horse new to him but he doesn't just go marching up to them, he eases up to them. His outside liberty work is with horses that he has already been working with.

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post #12 of 17 Old 04-15-2019, 10:43 PM
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I've said it before and repeat the story now. Cowboy was round penned aggressively. He won't willingly enter a round pen now. If you trick him into entering, he'll follow you around like a puppy dog. He'll be SUCH a submissive and WILLING pony! Until you open the gate...

It isn't because he likes you. He doesn't respect you. He is terrified of you and doing what he thinks he needs to do to survive near you. He'll darn near grovel around you in a round pen because he learned it is the only way he can make a human stop attacking him.

Want his respect? Mount up, take him out on a trail, and act like you know he has feelings. He'll respond. He is 4-legged proof you can get a horse to follow you, lick & chew, pretend he's a puppy, be submissive as all get out - all while hating every moment near you! Treat him with respect and feeling on a trail ride, though, & he'll do his best by you.

I wouldn't let her near my horses.
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Originally Posted by tinyliny View Post
Just watched the 'wild stallion' one, half way . She is SOOOO asking to get hurt. Grabbing his head with her hands and holding it, and being as close to him as she is. All of what she is doing could be better done on a line. It is less stressful to all. less dangerous, too.

A lot of women like to be really close to a horse when they are working with it. When you are too close, the horse looks right over and past you. Being super close is actually LESS effective than being at some distance.

I've seen really good horsemen work with horses, break them, and they NEVER grab on and hold to the head with their hands.

that said, I like the way the horse is licking and yawning. So, maybe there is something to her grabbing and holding and forcing the hrose to be 'touched'. I dunno . . .
I was at my IL’s one time, and her hired hand was turning colts out...they had 70 mares. He grabs one by the nose with both hands, and it is flipping around like a fish. His arms are showing NO tension, and he he is saying, “You betta cut that out....”. The colt calmed down, and went through the gate....
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post #14 of 17 Old 04-16-2019, 01:21 AM
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Hempfling narrator's gobbledygook is enough to make me gag.
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post #15 of 17 Old 04-16-2019, 04:28 AM
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^Haha yeah that's right, forgot that irritating bit about his vids! It's Carlos Tabernaberri - proper spelling of his name. Here's one Youtube vid - didn't look for best/appropriate, just the first that came up on google;

Then of course, there's Warwick Schiller & here's one from him... that came up after the Carlos one...

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I only watched a few minutes but already see so many problems with this approach. She's cornering this horse - this is not teaching liberty. The horse has no choice. She's forcing herself onto her. None of that will earn the trust of the horse. She is rushing the process to get quick results, doing way too much, too fast. It may look impressive, but does more damage than good in the long run. The horse is acting submissively, but this does not create a true bond. The only part I liked is when she left the horse alone.

I would also suggest that anyone wanting to do liberty training should choose a program with a theoretical component as well as videos (ideally you work with a trainer, but I realize that for many like myself, that is not an option). The reason for this is that videos only show what is going on outwardly, but we know that horse also perceive how you feel inside. It's important to learn to project the right energy in the right way. Furthermore, different horses will react differently. You need to know what to do with an aggressive horse, a fearful horse, etc. And you need to know that before you begin working with the horse because if things do go exactly as they do in this video, you need to know how to react or you'll make things a lot worse, and potentially cause injury to yourself or to the horse.

Horses have incredible memories. They will remember every wrong move you make. This trainer may have success because she has been doing this for a while, but I would cringe to watch someone try to imitate her without decades of experience. And I wouldn't let her near my horses either. With a horse like Kodak, forcing yourself on her WILL make her submit, but she is just holding it all in. She was shut down when I got her. This led to her being completely unpredictable and explosive. It took me years to start to get her at the point where I can finally ride her without her being a nervous wreck, but it wasn't by forcing her to submit to me.

I'm not going to post a video by Karine Vandenborre, because she doesn't do "miracle training" videos. Her videos are not dramatic, they are a breakdown of each tiny step in creating a true bond with a horse. This takes time. I do not believe there are shortcuts for this. You have to put in the time.
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post #17 of 17 Old 04-16-2019, 10:45 AM
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I would say that a lot of the time she was just plain lucky not to get hurt - luck has a nasty habit of running out!
My biggest fear of trainers like this is that when a real novice or a nervous person tries the same tactics they do get hurt.
I just wonder how well it would have ended if those horses really were 'bad'?

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