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post #11 of 28 Old 07-12-2019, 02:17 PM
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Yeah, she is really diving down hard. But, in a way, this is not such a bad thing. Many Fresians are jsut the opposite; head up high. It can be hard to get them to settle and lower their heads.


This is a matter or reteaching her to what the rein means, and not playing in to that 'game' of 'I lean on you, you hold me up". That means you get her to raise her head and not lean on the bit; by asking her to move forward wish a short slap of your leg when she dives to get her to lift her head and move forward more.

And/or by asking with the rein for her to 'come off' the bit. You don't stay in the place where she is comfortably leaning on the bit and you are just 'meeting' her there. when she starts to lean into it, you do something different, rather than just 'holding' her.


That can be a small bopping action with one rein that says "hey, not so hard !". It can be a lifting action of your hands, and preferably using ONE hand much more than the other. It can be experimenting with totally throwing your hands forward, or try throwing one hand forward. It's an experiment to see what she does when you break the cycle of 'you lean on me, I hold you up"
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When you have a young horse that's tending to go heavy on the forehand its a lot more effective to sit up and sit deep - save all the other positions for the horses that have got a well established, correct, self carriage.
From the photographs it looks as if she does push from behind but instead of pushing forwards and upwards, she's 'tunneling' forwards and downwards.
I think she might have learnt how to 'seek the contact' so your long reins aren't helping because she's following that contact down as she would in a free walk, free trot etc
You need to shorten those reins and encourage her to lift up.
One way you can help her get the message is by raising your outside hand every time she wants to go heavy on you and give her one short 'bump' then back to normal.
The other thing that helps is to use those half halts - just remember, half halt isn't about slowing down, its about creating 'energy' from impulsion to encourage a more elevated action
Another good 'trick' with leaners is to send them forwards then take away the support they're leaning on by pushing your hand forwards then upwards in one quick movement
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Yeah, she is really diving down hard. But, in a way, this is not such a bad thing. Many Fresians are jsut the opposite; head up high. It can be hard to get them to settle and lower their heads.


This is a matter or reteaching her to what the rein means, and not playing in to that 'game' of 'I lean on you, you hold me up". That means you get her to raise her head and not lean on the bit; by asking her to move forward wish a short slap of your leg when she dives to get her to lift her head and move forward more.

And/or by asking with the rein for her to 'come off' the bit. You don't stay in the place where she is comfortably leaning on the bit and you are just 'meeting' her there. when she starts to lean into it, you do something different, rather than just 'holding' her.


That can be a small bopping action with one rein that says "hey, not so hard !". It can be a lifting action of your hands, and preferably using ONE hand much more than the other. It can be experimenting with totally throwing your hands forward, or try throwing one hand forward. It's an experiment to see what she does when you break the cycle of 'you lean on me, I hold you up"
I got a video of her today. I rode her a little differently. I didn’t let her drop her head down too low. She doesn’t “root” but she does drop her head sometimes like she wants to. I don’t think she looks as good as normal. I wish I had more videos of her at her best. Watching the video I realized I need more impulsive from my seat/legs cause she’s lazily trotting around (in her defense this was at the end of a hard ride in hot humid weather). I am going to work on that. I may even ride her again this evening.


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I primarily have worked with reining/ranch trainers. I believe that the fundamentals are the same regardless of discipline, but it does seem like dressage riders expect their horse to ride a little differently. Am I mistaken?
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When you have a young horse that's tending to go heavy on the forehand its a lot more effective to sit up and sit deep - save all the other positions for the horses that have got a well established, correct, self carriage.
From the photographs it looks as if she does push from behind but instead of pushing forwards and upwards, she's 'tunneling' forwards and downwards.
I think she might have learnt how to 'seek the contact' so your long reins aren't helping because she's following that contact down as she would in a free walk, free trot etc
You need to shorten those reins and encourage her to lift up.
One way you can help her get the message is by raising your outside hand every time she wants to go heavy on you and give her one short 'bump' then back to normal.
The other thing that helps is to use those half halts - just remember, half halt isn't about slowing down, its about creating 'energy' from impulsion to encourage a more elevated action
Another good 'trick' with leaners is to send them forwards then take away the support they're leaning on by pushing your hand forwards then upwards in one quick movement
This might help
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT2kQMAngac
I like this video a lot. Joy is definitely lacking impulsion right now. So I am going to really work on that the next few rides and see how she does. And hopefully get more videos.
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Transition work between and within gaits will help more than just trotting circles. Will help her get her butt under her and paying attention, rather than dragging around lazy.
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Transition work between and within gaits will help more than just trotting circles. Will help her get her butt under her and paying attention, rather than dragging around lazy.
Thanks, I will try that. I didn't realize how lazy she was until I watched the video. I'm excited to put this advice to practice and see how she's riding in a week or two.

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I'm probably driving everyone nuts with all these posts but did want to post a pic (bad quality) from a video of the canter. I changed my approach a little at the canter too. I was more focused on my seat and asking her not to lean on me than anything. Admittedly most of the time she did not look like this (hence why I am a bit hesitant to post video - it was not that great) but I do feel like for a couple of strides she picked herself up better and gave me a little indication of the potential she has.
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post #18 of 28 Old 07-13-2019, 08:00 PM
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I think your correct reminders to her, and some time to develop more impulsion, and strength in the right areas will sort everything out!
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post #19 of 28 Old 07-13-2019, 09:36 PM
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she is cute, and you post quite nicely.



the saddle, is it an all purpose? and what size seat? and how tall are you?


Yeah, getting more impulsion will help a lot . I sort of feel that you are kind of 'perched' on top of the saddle, and I was wondering it it was the right size for you.
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Thank you! @tinyliny

It is actually a friends saddle who has graciously let me borrow it while I am looking for a nice, long term saddle. It is supposedly a 17 inch but feels smaller. It's an all purpose Kincade (synthetic) saddle. It is nice for what it is, but I definitely want a used, high quality leather saddle. Saddle shopping and fitting is NOT fun! I am about 5'4" and about 135 pounds.

On that note, any recommendations for saddles are welcome. My budget is only about $800. I MUST be able to do a 15+ day trial with it as well. Here is one I have my eye on...
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