Selling Kodak? - The Horse Forum
 293Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 58 Old 06-25-2020, 04:35 PM Thread Starter
Trained
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Canada
Posts: 7,565
• Horses: 2
Selling Kodak?

This really doesn't belong in training, but while I've seen numerous threads about buying horses, I don't think I've seen one about selling.

Sigh... where to begin. Well, hopefully if you're reading this it's because you know the history of me and Kodak. I got her four years ago, supposedly as a beginner-safe horse. Within the first two weeks she dumped me twice. A few months later, I came off her on a trail and got a concussion. Then she dumped me again in the riding ring. Long story short - she learned she could get rid of me. My daughter has ridden her a few times, other riders my daughter's age as well, and none of them have ever fallen off her. Just me. I developed a lot of anxiety about it, and just wasn't enjoying riding her at all. Eventually, a friend took pity on me and sold me her totally chill 6 year old Appy. He is totally my heart horse. I adore him with every fiber of my being. He makes me smile, and laugh, and I am never afraid to ride him even though he's taken off at a gallop with me on him once or twice, but it never felt scary. I cannot imagine life at the barn without him in it.

Kodak, on the other hand, was last ridden in January. I did try to bring her around, did some liberty work and some ground training, even clicker training. She's great on the ground. Still doesn't work for me or my daughter under saddle. Part of the problem might be that we're riding her like an English horse with full contact and she hates it. Throws her head, gets worked up about it.

So while I did not want to list her for sale for fear that she'd end up in the wrong hands, through word of mouth, a friend of a friend found out that I might consider re-homing her to the right person. She came to see her with a client who is looking for a Western horse. I gave full disclosure. My falls, how and why they happened, Kodak's pulling back when tied solid, all of it. She asked to ride, and I said sure, but you realize she hasn't been ridden in five months... this Western coach got on her and it was a thing of beauty to watch. I have never seen Kodak go so nicely. She was spinning her, doing turns on the shoulder, all with her legs. She said Kodak has great shoulder control and it's clear she has some reining training (I already knew that). Client also got on and the saddle slipped. Kodak got a scared and jumped back a little. Same when the rider dismounted - Kodak had a "moment". I told them there you have it - this is what you're getting. I have no desire to lie or make her out to be bombproof. They were not phased by this at all apparently and now want to buy her! Coach will keep her at her place and put 90 days on of training on her for the client. I told her if Kodak doesn't work out, they can bring her back for a full refund. I know there is risk, but I don't care about the money... I just want Kodak to be ok.

So.... am I doing the right thing? My heart is breaking right now, but it makes no sense to keep her. She isn't being ridden. She just turned 14 and no one will want her as a 15+ horse with many quirks. It is costing me money to keep three horses. And finally, Harley, my daughter's show horse, is 21. It is only a matter of time before she needs another horse. But Harley deserves a golden retirement in our pastures. Selling Kodak frees up a space in my barn. I only have room for 3 - there is no way to add a fourth.

Makes sense right? Then why is this so hard? :(
csimkunas6, bsms, Celeste and 8 others like this.
Acadianartist is offline  
post #2 of 58 Old 06-25-2020, 04:49 PM
Green Broke
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 3,133
• Horses: 0
I was sorry to see the header on this post - but as I read I smiled. I think that the fit sounds good. And you were honest about her. I would make sure that your bases are covered in your selling contract (as in no guarantee etc) Would you consider a trail period for them?

I think one of the hardest parts of selling any horse is that - as owners if a horse does not work for us we feel like we have failed somehow. You have tried so hard with her but have also been honest with yourself - you have worked with her and done so much for her but the fit is not right.

If you feel comfortable with a trial _ I would start there.
bsms, Celeste, Horsef and 3 others like this.
carshon is offline  
post #3 of 58 Old 06-25-2020, 04:59 PM Thread Starter
Trained
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Canada
Posts: 7,565
• Horses: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by carshon View Post
I was sorry to see the header on this post - but as I read I smiled. I think that the fit sounds good. And you were honest about her. I would make sure that your bases are covered in your selling contract (as in no guarantee etc) Would you consider a trail period for them?

I think one of the hardest parts of selling any horse is that - as owners if a horse does not work for us we feel like we have failed somehow. You have tried so hard with her but have also been honest with yourself - you have worked with her and done so much for her but the fit is not right.

If you feel comfortable with a trial _ I would start there.
Oh yes, we're doing a trial. I am insisting on it actually :). I want to be sure they see her at her worst before fully committing. I do feel like I have reached the end of what I can do for Kodak. My daughter, who was there the whole time and watched them ride, was just as impressed as I was to see that Western coach riding her. She was a different horse in her hands.

I am very sad about it... but feel like this is Kodak's chance to be the best horse she can be. It helps that I know who this person is, and that we have common friends who have vouched for her (and perhaps for me too :) ). I can go visit her to see how she's coming along in her refresher training.

But if it all falls apart, even if they bring me back a horse that is worse than she is now (which I don't see happening), I would take her in and just keep her as a pasture pet.
Acadianartist is offline  
post #4 of 58 Old 06-25-2020, 05:04 PM
Showing
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 48,110
• Horses: 2
Count your blessings! This horse will go to a good home, while she still has 'saleable' life in her. You have two lovely geldings. Now, if your daughter, who is nearly outgrown the arab, wants to move up, you have the space to do so. This is a GOOD thing.
tinyliny is offline  
post #5 of 58 Old 06-25-2020, 05:27 PM Thread Starter
Trained
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Canada
Posts: 7,565
• Horses: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by tinyliny View Post
Count your blessings! This horse will go to a good home, while she still has 'saleable' life in her. You have two lovely geldings. Now, if your daughter, who is nearly outgrown the arab, wants to move up, you have the space to do so. This is a GOOD thing.
Thanks @Tiny ... yes, my head says so. My heart is struggling. But this is what I need to hear. It is actually quite amazing that someone wants to buy her despite all her issues! But on the ground, she's a doll. I had her in the paddock when they arrived. I haltered her, tacked her up in the paddock without tying her (because she pulls back). I would chat with them, walk back and forth, realize I'd forgotten a piece, go back in the barn, Kodak would still be standing exactly in the same spot. I'm glad I did so much liberty and ground work with her because this is where she shines. And she's pretty. And very easy to keep - no health issues, not prone to injuries, no special diet...

I'm a little worried about how Rusty will deal with being alone when Harley is at shows and clinics, but it only happens 4-5 times a year. We're going to try to take Harley and Kodak off to the side of the property, out of view from Rusty tomorrow to see how he reacts. Hopefully he'll adjust.
Acadianartist is offline  
post #6 of 58 Old 06-25-2020, 06:00 PM
Trained
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 5,218
• Horses: 2
This sounds like a great solution for Kodak. Of course you will miss her, but hopefully you could keep in touch and see her once in a while?

Maybe think of it like kids going off to college. Not that you'll never see them again but moving on to new things. Even though you'd like to keep them home, you do what is best for them.
gottatrot is offline  
post #7 of 58 Old 06-25-2020, 06:06 PM Thread Starter
Trained
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Canada
Posts: 7,565
• Horses: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by gottatrot View Post
This sounds like a great solution for Kodak. Of course you will miss her, but hopefully you could keep in touch and see her once in a while?

Maybe think of it like kids going off to college. Not that you'll never see them again but moving on to new things. Even though you'd like to keep them home, you do what is best for them.
Oh yes, I told her I'd love to see Kodak after she's worked with her for a while. She said absolutely! Again, friend of a friend, established schooling barn, so not like I'm sending Kodak off to war. I would like to know she's ok. It would set my heart at ease.

I'd say that I feel I failed her but I don't really feel that way. I tried, BOY did I try. I got her to trust people again, even enjoy them. I desensitized her to a lot of things. I got her used to things I never thought she'd be willing to accept. But I did all this from the ground - under saddle, I just couldn't get anywhere with her, even if I tried as hard as I could. I don't have the skills or the experience to deal with a horse like her under saddle. I don't think it's a failure to admit that. I feel I have the skills for Rusty because my heart doesn't race the minute I get on him. I can hop on him bareback and bridle-less just for fun and we laugh and love life together. Now that I see how amazing it is with him, I know it would never be like that with Kodak. And my daughter really doesn't enjoy riding her either. So hopefully this will be for the best for everyone.
Acadianartist is offline  
post #8 of 58 Old 06-25-2020, 06:09 PM
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 12,181
• Horses: 0
I think in your heart you already know it is the right thing to let her go...
You saw what she is, what she is happy doing and was trained for.
You saw eagerness to do as the coach asked and her beauty when she was allowed to perform for you...
She excelled in front of you showing you....look, look what I can do and am happy doing it.

90 days training she will be dynamite under saddle preening like a peacock in the ring...
She might explode, but these people have the ability to handle it and work her through it.
She liked having her head and mouth free, riding off leg and seat...and where she did her antics was a nothing to those astride..
When she startled with the prospective new owner, they did not get flustered or upset is one of the best reactions Kodak could of had...
It was a non-event, pushed off and continued on what they were doing.
I think you found a match.

Sell her, but don't accept her back unless she is sound and in the same condition as she is today.
Things can and do happen in innocence, but you don't want back a serious problem either...
Document her condition in dated and time recorded pictures you print out and each party signs as acceptance of the horse appears as such and is such and such...
That protects all parties from bad things.

I think when the door closed on you ever truly riding her again this is what Kodak needs...

It is what you need too.
You know you need to face reduction of competition for Harley as he is aging and the fact is not able to do what he did a year ago and less than what he did 4 years ago...
Harley is pushing himself but is coming to a point he can not continue to do so.
This will allow you to have that stall for the next special horse that will find your home...
A door has opened for Kodak, which also opens a door for you and your daughter to further her riding career on a new member of the family kept home.
Harley and Rusty will do great together...and Kodak will fit in to a new barns regiment easily, more easily than you think.
Let her go...it is the right thing to do.
You saw what she is and how she complied easily...how she was handled by someone who never sat her before...
There is a time & place for all animals to stay or go where they are happiest in a job...this is her chance.
...

The worst day is instantly better when shared with my horse.....
horselovinguy is offline  
post #9 of 58 Old 06-25-2020, 06:12 PM
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 12,181
• Horses: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by Acadianartist View Post
I'm a little worried about how Rusty will deal with being alone when Harley is at shows and clinics, but it only happens 4-5 times a year.

I'm not...
Rusty is very sensible...
And have a feeling the "empty" stall shall not be empty very long either.
...

The worst day is instantly better when shared with my horse.....
horselovinguy is offline  
post #10 of 58 Old 06-25-2020, 06:26 PM
Trained
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 5,218
• Horses: 2
No, you absolutely did not fail Kodak. Her time spend working on trust and ground manners will help her for the rest of her life.

Not to get on my soap box here, but Kodak is one more horse that confirms to me that what people say about just developing trust and adding training is simply not true. Some horses will just never become steady enough for every rider. Some stay hot or spooky even with good handling and training.

It is not a failure if a horse does not transform their innate personality into one they were not born with. Nature and nurture but training cannot overcome nature completely.

Off track horses for beginners should be pre-screened by experienced horse people for suitability. I've met a few mellow sweethearts, but many fire-breathing dragons.
gottatrot is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.



User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome