I'm not sure if this will help or not, but, I think Reining is responding, Smilie, to a perceived feeling that you dis-value any approach to horse keeping/training that isn't focused on producing a competitive or 'using' horse, such as you produce.
I feel that I can see, to a certain extent, both sides. I mean, I have a real respect, and even awe, for the way you train your horses, Smilie, to be adaptable, dependable and usable in some pretty demandign situations. I have to stand back and say, "I could never do that".
but, I also get a bit irritated, nay, shall I say 'offended' , when you say with patent asssurance that you are certain that NH is pretty much worthless and a hoax and only produces spoiled horses and a way for hucksters to make money, ets. . . meaning you have Zero respect for it. . . . it sounds a bit like you have a preconceived notion that just shuts out anyone that ISN'T like you in their approach. To me, that sounds a bit arrogant. it's not surprising that it rubs people the wrong way. you could be missing out on some pretty awesome stuff by assuming that anything outside of what you see as ok, is just all fluff and rainbow farts.
Well, obviously, my stance comes across incorrectly, inspite of the fact that I have given numerous examples of very close connection I have had with horses
I do not discard all NH methods, and in fact, use many of them, without applying labels. I read much of their work, including that of Canada's own Chris Irwin. I see none of them just advocating positive re -enforcement, at all times, and that is where the disagreement arises, by people using/reading incorrect application-whether it be over flexing, round penning, getting hung up in join up, without even truly recognizing as to what it is
No, i truly believe in being as'gentle with a hrose as possible, but also as firm as needed. I do not agree with those that wish only to apply the first part of that equation (again, not taking of an abused or fearful horse )and entirely assume all NH completely rejects the 'but also, as firm as needed, to make that horse a good citizen.'
I have attended many equine conferences, where vets researching equine learning, behavior are give talks. Like in all things,as in training methods, I use what makes sense, seems to have solid data, and throw the rest out
For instance, Dr Sid Gustaveson, who specializes in equine behavior, is very strong on the position that horses are evolved to being able to move almost constantly,, for their physical and mental health, yet many here, where regular stalling is an accepted practice, completely toss that out the window, and instead, treat sterio typi behavior, accept that treating equine ulcers, versus preventing clinical significant ones, is just part of owning horses
Even after a previous long mountain ride, my horses will walk up to me in the pasture, to be haltered, =so hardly horses that don't wish to be with me, just because I use a combination of R+ and R-, so I have just as much of aright, to be offended, when it is implied, intended or not, that my horses can't possibly want to work for me, out of willing compliance, I don't have just as deep a connection with my horses, , ect, ect, ect