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post #1 of 23 Old 03-06-2019, 01:44 PM Thread Starter
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Horse buying advice!

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I’m currently looking at buying a 8 year old Clydesdale mare who is in foal due early May. She was bred to a gypsie who is registered and the mare is also registered. The mare is not broke to ride assuming drive either. They are asking $8000 for her... Essentially if everything went well I could profit from the foal sale. Need some advice on whether this is a good idea or bad.
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post #2 of 23 Old 03-06-2019, 02:00 PM
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Hm m m . . my first thought is the ol' 'don't count your chickens before they hatch' adage. I mean, anything could happen to the foal, so I'm not sure one can assume you would end up making a profit.


I think you have to really consider how experienced you are with brood mares, babies, raising babies, and do you have the facilities for this?



I think I will leave this more experience persons here to answer. I know that I would not likely take on this venture, because I know I lack the experience to give it a good chance of success.
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Not broke to ride or drive? Does she have a show record for halter at least?

Way too much money for what she is, baby or not. I dont know how you plan on recouping $10 000+ from the baby to make a profit.
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post #4 of 23 Old 03-06-2019, 02:42 PM
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Vanners are often priced at that amount if they've got work put into them. As in, broke to ride or drive, or with proven offspring.

The resulting foal, should everything go well, can be registered as a Drum Horse in the United States.

The only way I can see you recouping the pricetag is to put value in the mare and foal, and then sell them again in the future. I.E., have them broken to ride, win some titles, etc.

What are your goals with the mare and foal? Are they going to be your personal horses or a project for you? Personally I would think this would be a good deal if the mare were at least broken to ride, but she's not... so in that case I think a reasonable price would be $5k, if you know how to market the foal and sell it for $$$ later in its life.

Good luck!
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post #5 of 23 Old 03-06-2019, 03:40 PM Thread Starter
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My barn has all the necessary accommodations for a mare and foal. I’m honestly interested in the mare only for a pleasure horse. I E trail riding possibly 4h. As of now if everything with the foal worked out I’d find a interested buyer. The current owner breeds strictly gypsies and the mare was a family horse which turned into a pasture ornament. As for halter experience I’m not sure. I will be driving this Saturday to visit the mare and possibly try to negotiate price. $8 grand is a lot for me to swallow and I’m more familiar with quarter horses. I’ve been told larger horses, drafts, Perch have been going up in price. The current owner said if I wanted, she would have no problem putting me in touch with potential buyers for the foal once he/she was ready to be weaned and then sold. I’m hoping if I bring 5-6 in cash she will take it. I just can’t settle on 8grand for a inbroke mare who’s probably sweet but has no time on her.
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My barn has all the necessary accommodations for a mare and foal. Iím honestly interested in the mare only for a pleasure horse. I E trail riding possibly 4h. As of now if everything with the foal worked out Iíd find a interested buyer. The current owner breeds strictly gypsies and the mare was a family horse which turned into a pasture ornament. As for halter experience Iím not sure. I will be driving this Saturday to visit the mare and possibly try to negotiate price. $8 grand is a lot for me to swallow and Iím more familiar with quarter horses. Iíve been told larger horses, drafts, Perch have been going up in price. The current owner said if I wanted, she would have no problem putting me in touch with potential buyers for the foal once he/she was ready to be weaned and then sold. Iím hoping if I bring 5-6 in cash she will take it. I just canít settle on 8grand for a inbroke mare whoís probably sweet but has no time on her.
If you can draft up an in-utero contract and pull both parents's registeries with their pedigrees and all that info, you may be able to find someone interested in the baby before it's even born. Vanner crosses are selling like hot-cakes if you know how to find the specific people interested in them. I suggest joining Vanner Cross/Drum Horse groups on FaceBook. Babies tend to sell well through connections there from what I've seen.

Bonus points if you can figure out the percentages of possible color outcome for the foal. Future buyers will really like that. If you buy the mare for 5-6k and sell the foal for around that much you could probably get most of the money back. 8k, not so much.
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You could put a price on a possibility...
A baby still en-utero is worth nothing yet as till it hits the ground you don't know what you've got...
The best breedings in the world can produce garbage quality results...then what?

To me...the baby is a mix not a pure Vanner and that reduces worth to my thinking.
Same for the Clydesdale purists... baby is a mix and that ruins that pureness.
I also look at a full 2 years before you truly know and can start doing saddle work if you had a real oops and couldn't sell...a lot of expense incurred.
Sorry, for all the right reasons I would pass on this mare.
The price is wrong, the fact it sounds she is un-handled/untrained is costly and her offspring is not purebred is another negative to me.
I also don't consider this cross a sport-horse either which today are just mutts in disguise to charge large $$ in truth.
You're referring to to large drafty bred horses...the offspring has no refinement that many people cross and pay big $ for...
Soon as you dilute the pure, and have a unknown and un-handled anything reduces the worth to me to peanuts...
Just like the "designer" dogs of today...they are mutts in reality.
If the mare had training on her, known she did and does what you want successfully...then I would consider..as she is represented, no.

I just took a peek on EquineNow.com and put in Clydesdale riding horse...
Several came up...
All trained and those listed prices were $8,500 and under, one was $20,000 and a few others no price are from the same place who is overpriced imo.
I also looked at horseclicks.com and found other listings...
Those trained, they ride & drive were in the price range the horse you are considering who knows nothing...
Think you are being overcharged for a horse...
Unless you have trained previously, and have great experience in training horses of this size and strength...add training fees to her cost.
Training in my area is about $1,000 a month and a true knows nothing needs 2 - 3 months minimum of consistent handling before I would consider getting astride myself on a horse of this size and strength...
The biggest drawback is the mare is a total unknown of what she will be like under saddle...
She could be great, she could be a flake and spook...and you have spent for what?

An early May baby....add 4 - 6 months before you can separate them and start to do anything training, really training with the mare...
Do you know how to start the babies education from birth?
More expenses and more unknowns...
You have to live with reality of what is standing in front of you not possibility of something from nothing when you are buying..
I would pass...sorry.
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@horselovinguy , it may be your opinion that Vanner/Clyde crosses are worth nothing. They're quite pricey mutts from what I see.
https://www.equinenow.com/drum.htm
https://www.dreamhorse.com/b/197/dru...-for-sale.html

OP is fortunate that her cross is "in vogue" right now, and has the ability to be registered as a Drum Horse.

Just because the foal isn't worth anything to you doesn't mean another person won't pay $5k for the foal. Like I said it really counts to be connected to the right people who seek out this specific type of horse.

You are correct in that the foal may turn out awful, conformation wise. I also agree that the mare herself isn't worth $8k. But mom and baby? I could see them swinging for $5k as a pair.
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Honestly i cannot believe that there are registries for all sorts of cross breeds in the US!!

There is no such breed as a Drum Horse, all it is is a large weight carrying horse that has some white on it, many of the Household Cavalry now use pure Clydesdales as long as they have a big belly splash of white.

Horselovingguy has said it all. I 100% agree with her and would pass on this mare.
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large drafts can end up being more expensive, in every aspect. They eat more, they poop more, the often need special sizes of tack, it will cost more to shoe them, if you shoe, they often cannot fit into standard sized trailers, so you need access to a warmblood size or bigger.


I love draft breeds for their temperament. But, I'd hesitate personally to buy one for my one and only riding horse. But, if the hrose is a great horse , it's a great horse.


I've never quite understood how being big and having feathers is often enough to make many people go ga-ga over just about any old horse, and then the HAVE to have one.
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