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post #1 of 16 Old 05-03-2020, 06:07 PM Thread Starter
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Leasing my horse

Someone contacted my barn owner about half leasing a horse. This person wants to trail ride once a week and just have some horsey time (grooming, etc.). What she doesn't want, apparently, is lessons. She says she owned horses for over 10 years. My barn owner is also the instructor and isn't interested in leasing a horse out without lessons, so she referred this person to me. I was thinking that either Moonshine or Pony might work for this person.

What I'm wondering is, what should I look for when/if I meet this person? How can I tell if she would be a good match for the horse, or a conscientious rider / lessor? I'm thinking to ask the barn owner to make her take one or two trial lessons to be sure that she knows what she's doing. I also understand the need for a contract. What else do I need to know?

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post #2 of 16 Old 05-03-2020, 07:32 PM
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Any one that rides with me that I don't know takes lessons with my son's instructor. Three lessons that I ride in with the person so there are two opinions on skill level.

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A contract drawn with very clearly defined limitations to what is permitted and what is not.
Cause the person rode 10 years ago...big deal.
I've seen trail riders who rode the legs off a animal, were very rough and aggressive riders and then saw those who rode with great care and thoughts of the horses abilities and limitations...you could have either.
Me, honestly... if I did not need the $ help so I could keep the animal "mine" the answer would be no.
Neither of your horses mind hanging out days off from work...
You might mind though having some of that time and work you put on each animal to have them ride as they do undone and that is a great possibility, regardless of what you see in a ring...
Out on trails, unseen could be a very different person emerge with your horse....yea, no.
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post #4 of 16 Old 05-03-2020, 09:19 PM
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1. What they ^^^^ both said - take it all to heart:)

2. I know a couple people who claimed they “had been riding for 30 years” and I would not put either one of them on any horse of mine.

3. Not “no but heck no” and “heck” is not the word I have in mind.

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I CAN'T ride 'em n slide 'em. I HAVE to lead 'em n feed 'em Thnx cowchick77.
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post #5 of 16 Old 05-03-2020, 09:39 PM
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The more I think about your instructor and B/O reaction is dead-on...


If the person is just looking to ride once a week on trails she can go to local hack barns and rent a horse...
Once she has been around a few times she will be allowed to do more with less supervision...they learn her and how she treats the animals and what she as a rider is capable of...
She wants grooming time, time to just be with........
I bet you there are rescues around who would love to have someone come and just love on and groom horses as well as riding for handicapped riders programs where her grooming skills could be put to great use...


If it were my horses, my answer would be no, my horses are not for lease or to be ridden by any other than their owners. Thank-you for inquiring but no.
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post #6 of 16 Old 05-03-2020, 10:34 PM
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I've put too much time and training into my horses to make them what I want. I don't want to take the chance that Sally-on-the-Side will be too handsy, too rough, too timid, too green or too stupid and make more work for me to have to go back and fix any problems that she causes. No thanks.

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post #7 of 16 Old 05-04-2020, 12:03 AM
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I'm glad some horse owners are willing to take a risk , instead of just a cart blanch 'heck no". if not, I'd never have been able to have 21 years of successful half leasing. 21 years , 8 different horses.


The owners knew to trust me because they watched me ride, once or twice. They heard me talk, saw me around the barn, read my references. I had signed contracts with some, not with others.


That said, I suggest you do have one that delinieates who pays for what, including injuries that might happen while riding.


I can proudly say that the worst injury I ever 'caused' to a horse was a stone bruise. But, I caught several colics, did my turn at hand walking, midnight check ups , etc. a good leassor can be of great benefit to both of you.
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I definitely think some supervised riding is in order and for you to meet the person. I'd at least do that because if you're thinking of sharing you need to expose yourself and get used to trialling people so YOU know what you want. Let's be real if this person refuses some lessons or supervision you have your answer right there. You can't just let anyone on. When I was open to shares in the first year a lady came saying she was VERY experienced. This woman didn't know how to put a saddle on, hold the reins and was just... so inexperienced. The instructor put her through her paces and it was a huge shock for this woman who thought a few backyard gallops were enough. You just can't take people at face value not when your babies rely on you <3
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post #9 of 16 Old 05-04-2020, 07:38 AM
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I'm glad some horse owners are willing to take a risk , instead of just a cart blanch 'heck no". if not, I'd never have been able to have 21 years of successful half leasing. 21 years , 8 different horses.


The owners knew to trust me because they watched me ride, once or twice. They heard me talk, saw me around the barn, read my references. I had signed contracts with some, not with others.


That said, I suggest you do have one that delinieates who pays for what, including injuries that might happen while riding.


I can proudly say that the worst injury I ever 'caused' to a horse was a stone bruise. But, I caught several colics, did my turn at hand walking, midnight check ups , etc. a good leassor can be of great benefit to both of you.
I think you are the exception to the rule:)

At my age, I can say that I have only known five - FIVE - people I would trust on my horses, out of my sight, and one of those five was my son.

I am also one of those “neither a borrower nor lender be” people, lollol. If someone need help, I will operate my equipment to help but nothing leaves my driveway without me:):)

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I CAN'T ride 'em n slide 'em. I HAVE to lead 'em n feed 'em Thnx cowchick77.
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post #10 of 16 Old 05-04-2020, 11:05 AM
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Heck no is the correct answer. A big no.

Especially someone who is not from your barn, who you don't know already, and who doesn't want to lesson. There is no person in the world who is too good for lessons.

If some time down they road you do go into leasing, iron clad contracts that are approved by lawyers is a must. A must.

I would also suggest some kind of liability insurance, because hold harmless waivers sometimes won't hold up, and you want to have the money to take things to court if - god forbid - someone got hurt or killed on your horse. Accidents happen, you have to be ready when you're blamed for them.

Technically if you leased out, too, I'd consider selling the horse to an LLC in your name (you can do it for like, $5...) so that if a lawsuit came to be you could not be held liable for personal assets, but again, I'd get a lawyer.

The equine industry is a messy one, and just like car accidents/people slipping in stores or tripping places, everyone's looking for a lawsuit and some money.
Be careful. Be prepared for the absolute worst.

Or, honestly, just don't lease. Leave that to the professionals and enjoy your ponies yourself!
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