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post #1 of 9 Old 02-14-2015, 12:31 PM Thread Starter
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Opinions on a (possible soon to be) Purchase

To keep it as simple as possible, I have my eye on 2 Arab stallions (who yes, for the time being, would remain that way) I personally don't have any plans right now for breeding but the current owner wants to retain 10 straws from each of these guys & seeing that I have plans to show them I may want a foal or 2 later if they have the brains & ability I'm hoping for. ( If not, I can freeze the stuff & take their knockers straight off )

My hiccup with the deal. I was originally interested in 2 of her mares as well but some one beat me to the draw & purchased one of them. The other one is no longer being offered for sale due to a family member wanting her. The problem is she is now offering me 2 mares, 9 & 16yrs old (one of which looks like she'd make a decent saddle mare the other is a Blue List (Al Khamsa) & has only ever been a broodmare) & the 2 studs, but she will not separate them.

She's asking 9k for the 4 which breaks down to $2250 a piece if you divide it evenly. I don't mind paying that on a good horse but these horses have no show history, are (by the owners own admission) only halter trained with some basic ground handling & not tested for LFS, CA or SCID & being a closed herd these horses haven't had Coggins in years (if ever on the younger ones) Plus the younger of the two studs (8yr) has no registered progeny at this point & the other stallion (16yr) has 3 foals all of which were kept within this closed herd. In addition to the 9k sale price she is having the 8yr cover a mare of hers before he leaves & she is retaining 10 straws from each stallion which I would be responsible for the collection, shipping & any fees.

Now I have the time, resources & ability to put the handling, work & miles into them but if I'm putting in all the effort I feel the price should be a little more in my favor. But maybe I'm wanting too much for too little? I know in this area for an even 2k I can get a nice looking, rideable horse. Even one started in or with some minor show history. (I'm located in Middle Tennessee & so are the 4 horses) Would it be ridiculous to say that I would give her 6k for all plus she can keep the 10 straws she wants but I would want her to have them tested & vacc'ed before I take them? I've offered to just buy the 2 stallions but she will not separate the 4.

Just want to get some feelings on this. What would you do? What would you offer? I know some of you wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole & I could drop it & walk away since we haven't signed anything yet. There are a lot of nice horses out there I could be looking at but I've had my eye on these guys for a year or so & well I'm sure some of you know what that itch is like. Thanks everybody!
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Sounds like a pretty price to pay for the "privilege" of doing all the work, training, and testing yourself too. Not something I'd say is worthwhile unless the horses and their bloodlines are what you're really after. If she wants the straws, she can do that part herself and pay for all the testing on all four horses too. Either that, cut the price or separate the horses and sell them individually IMO. She's attaching a hell of a lot of strings to what could be a simple deal.
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It really is the bloodlines that I'm after (may sound funny since I'm not set on breeding them but they have some old Crabbet/CMK lines that maybe worth passing on it they have the brains) I do very much like the look of the older stallion plus he has a nice disposition from what I've seen. The younger I would very likely cut since, even though he is a black, he's not a great quality black & quality come before colour everyday of the week for me. He's not the 1% of the 1% to me. But they both have good blood & the both look like they'd make good saddle horses. I do think what she's asking is rather unreasonable especially since I really don't want the 2 mares. They have similar bloodlines to the boys but they aren't the ones that really stood out to me. I could always buy all 4 put some work into the mares & sell them but that's really not my plan & I don't see it being the best investment of my time & money.
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Sounds like a pretty price to pay for the "privilege" of doing all the work, training, and testing yourself too. Not something I'd say is worthwhile unless the horses and their bloodlines are what you're really after. If she wants the straws, she can do that part herself and pay for all the testing on all four horses too. Either that, cut the price or separate the horses and sell them individually IMO. She's attaching a hell of a lot of strings to what could be a simple deal.

^^^This^^^
It's also pretty much a buyers market right now. I think it's a bit much that she's trying to force a package deal on you because she knows you want the stallions. She should pay for all tests and vaccinations, not to mention the frozen straws.

I'd suggest that you walk away for now, and hope that she'll come to a more realistic price down the road.
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Funny how you had 2 mares picked out in the package and the owner had no problem selling those as single horses and then throws 2 other mares in and will only sell in a package deal. I'd run away as fast as my old stubby legs could go.

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Funny how you had 2 mares picked out in the package and the owner had no problem selling those as single horses and then throws 2 other mares in and will only sell in a package deal. I'd run away as fast as my old stubby legs could go.
^^^^^^This! R U N don't walk away. No lethal genetic testing, no showing, no proven ANYTHING with this lot AND she wants 9K? Not even if both stallions shot gold ...... you know. This is just some of the most irresponsible sounding breeding I've ever heard of. Blue List, Al Khamsa.......but has CMK lines, so they're not even SE. Your resale just went down the toilet with a mighty flush.

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post #7 of 9 Old 02-17-2015, 08:34 PM Thread Starter
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Sorry I hadn't updated. Tennessee snow, not as bad as Ontario but they're just not as prepared here.

Anyway, no not SE. Which doesn't blow it for me since I wanted the CMK lines but its not a mare I wanted so that makes it a no go. My biggest problem is there's been no testing done (which any responsible, reputable breeder IMHO would do on any animal coming into their breeding herd)

But it's come down to a very short email to the effect of test the stallions & price them more reasonably & you have a buyer or don't & I hope you find someone.

The horses have been on the market for a while & either the breeder really does need to sell as stated or they want a quick buck. I work too hard for my dough to be shelling it out like that. I do really love the boys but reality has to be upfront & it's agreeing with you all on the RUN factor.

Thank everyone for you reality check :)
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post #9 of 9 Old 02-17-2015, 09:58 PM
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There are reputable CMK breeders out there, find one and I'll just about promise that the prices will be better and the quality will be higher too.

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