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post #21 of 28 Old 06-18-2020, 11:26 AM
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Ah, Bill Steinkraus and John Whitaker both lovely riders.
Back then show jumping was almost a different sport - there was a lot more excitement to the jump offs and frequently a rider would take a real gamble and gallop a jump off course. There also seemed a lot more comradely between the riders.

The poles were heavier and could often take a knock, now they are much lighter and the cups shallower so it is very much precision riding.
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Hunters consists of hunters over fences, equitation over fences, and medal rounds.

Hunters is scored on the horse. You want a horse that takes every step the same size, it's not speeding up and slowing down a lot throughout the course. It's consistent.

Equitation is judged on the riders posture, but also their ability to execute technical maneuvers, such as rollbacks, and bending lines. The pace should also be consistent, but it's not the key factor. You want to see a rider riding every step of the way.

There's also medal rounds which are based on the horse and rider. These can be judged different ways with different weights of scoring on the horse and rider.

Another equitation round worth looking up is the collegiate riding IHSA national championships. This is equitation riding, but competitors are given a random horse from a drawing to ride. This will even out the playing field so that it's judged on the rider's ability, and not how fat their wallet is.

There are different jumping rounds too, such as gamblers choice, six bar, and puissance.

In gambler's choice a course is set with several jumps, each set with different point values relative to their difficulty and height. You com up with your own course to collect as many points as possible within a set time. You can jump most fences twice, and you can jump some both directions.

In six bar, there are 6 fences set in a series, usually a few strides apart. After the clear round the fences are raised higher. If your horse knocks a pole they are eliminated. The horse who makes it through the highest wins.

I haven't ever seen puissance in person, but it's a single fence that is continually raised, similar to the six bar.

I think it would be worth while to look into the different types of jumping classes and see the horses that ride in each type of class. The horses and rides can be quite different from one another depending on the class!

Growing up I saw a lot of horses come off the grand prix circuit who went on to be really successful in the hunter ring. Many of the riders went the opposite way, starting off as hunters and becoming jumper riders.

If you ever have a chance, check out the HITS show series. The best riders from your area will be there!
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Puissance - check this out. The guy is riding bareback and that wall appears to be taller than the mounted rider. My brain cannot comprehend that this doesnt defy the laws of physics.


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How cool is that !
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If you want to see some interesting jumping, look at the jumping done by the pentathalon This is where people who are not really focussed on riding, ride horses that I believe are provided for them. The competitors are really more into running, and javelin throwing and other things.
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If you want to see some interesting jumping, look at the jumping done by the pentathalon This is where people who are not really focussed on riding, ride horses that I believe are provided for them. The competitors are really more into running, and javelin throwing and other things.
Oooooh, I watched it once (the Olympics in China) - and never again. Just about had a panic attack. Those people seem to be riding on sheer willpower alone. Great courage and determination. They dont ride their own horses but get assigned a horse - a think a half an hour before the event. And these people are not amazing riders - they cannot just train horse riding, they have four other sports to train for as well.

I read that Beijing was particularly bad because the horses were not well chosen and that they added regulation since then regarding the organizers responsibility in choosing horses. Still, I will not be watching that ever again.
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Another equitation round worth looking up is the collegiate riding IHSA national championships. This is equitation riding, but competitors are given a random horse from a drawing to ride. This will even out the playing field so that it's judged on the rider's ability, and not how fat their wallet is.
Mm, yeah, this I could watch. So much in our sports today is about how much money you can throw at it to win if I want pay to win, I'll play a video game. In a lot of ways they've taken the 'sporting' aspect right out of it, and it is rampant in every sporting event I can think of, including the horse world. But randomizing riders and horses, yeah, that sounds great. Then you get to see who TRULY is a great horseman/woman because of their ability versus how much money they can spend on a great horse.

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I liked IHSA at college for that reason- I did mostly flat, W/T/C and I placed top three a lot (nowadays I have no clue how I did that on the cantering part but, my trot was pretty solid evidently). I liked the fact that horses were randomly chosen. I also simultaneously hated it (put on a buddy sour no-go horse at Zones--the competition before nationals), but that's the interest of it. I don't come from money at all, and none of my family aside from my grandpa enjoys horses. But I do believe in hard work. Money makes things easier but it doesn't replace hard work. It will not help you keep a dead leg lesson horse going if you only know how to ride expensive push buttons. But each has their merits.
That said, particular showing atmospheres in this sport has left a sour taste in my mouth at times. IHSA was fun because us WTC's knew how to have fun...Maybe I'll show again when it becomes fun again, like a schooling show or something.

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I like watching jumpers sometimes, but given that I've been with a hunter/jumper barn for so long...I have to partially agree with the OP. Even though I understand it's not supposed to be pretty, I can't watch for too long. I'm far too used to the prim and proper of equitation...or rather I've been trained into it. My goal is to look as one with the horse as I can- unless they're acting up haha. So jumpers doesn't really fit my style. It's not awful though. It's just a different discipline, as with eventing/cross country (which I have a nose poked in as far as interest goes...maybe I'll get down and dirty in a cross country field one day!).

What I don't care for, which I haven't seen in a bit, is when riders lean all the way on the horse's neck as if they're playing polo going over a jump. I think it's unnecessary (I didn't see any of that in OP's video, and I haven't seen that in a little while).
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