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post #2011 of 2027 Old 09-01-2019, 11:33 AM Thread Starter
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Ordered the DVD thru Netflix @SueC . Don't use them for streaming any more but kept the DVD service. I remember my wife's shock when she found out her "natural fruit juice smoothie" had more sugar than a bowl of ice cream. And mine that "low-fat yogurt" was packed with sugar too! And instant oatmeal? My favorite was really sugar with a bit of oats added. And I didn't understand why I couldn't get the weight off!

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post #2012 of 2027 Old 09-02-2019, 05:38 PM
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New Eating Plan Sounds Great -- Way to Go!!!

I was excited to read this morning, @bsms , in post #2004 about your new eating strategy!

Yours is from a different book, but sounds close to plans advocated in Blue Zones (those with higher rates of healthy centenarians) and in the book that got me started on Intermittent Fasting, which Iíve been pushing on friends and family during last 3 years.

That book is called FAST DIET, by Michael Mosley. A catchy title, but really more of eating strategy than ďdietĒ, detailing huge benefits of Intermittent Fasting, which can be even just one day a week and includes a tiny meal at beginning and end of day, so hardly a "fast". Book can be ordered here (used less than $6): https://www.amazon.com/FastDiet-Revi.../dp/150110201X

Husband and I saw television special on PBS by Dr. Mosley telling about the many health benefits which seem to be derived from allowing body to actually stop eating for extended period of time.

Benefits seem so great ó lower blood pressure, lower cholesterol, lower blood sugars, lower IGF-1 (high levels are linked to cancer), even better brain performance ó that about 3 years ago I started immediately with two days a week; husband started a somewhat modified version, shall we say.

We next read a followup in Wall Street Journal saying that studies show benefits even when having just a long period (say 6p-10a) without food ingestion, which sounds like the plan that you are now using and which husband decided was better for him.

Plus, youíve included many elements of Blue Zone eating for better health, such as cutting out processed foods, refined sugar and increasing whole fruits and vegetables.

I donít know for sure, but think you might be a middle baby-boomer, similar to me, which puts us in the life stage when suddenly realizing being healthier as aging would be a very good thing.

How can we get the younger generation to realize that sooner? Only by our good examples, I guess, which is why we post here.

For me, the next major step, which created more clearly seen health benefits, beyond simple weight loss, was aerobics, for which I think the discipline became possible from a daily yoga and meditation routine.

Find that routine under Forum called Life Beyond Horses: Hobbies, in a top thread saying Yoga, if wanting to join my 40-year experiment towards being Healthy2aHundred, or however long we make it.

Thanks for sharing the lifestyle changes youíre trying. Iím going to love reading about how itís going for you on this road to healthier!
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post #2013 of 2027 Old 09-06-2019, 11:55 AM
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Sorry if that seemed a bit like hi-jacking your thread. That's me.... see a door opens, walk right through it. Thanks for inadvertently giving me that opportunity to proselytize and I ordered two more copies of book, as a friend just asked yesterday at golf about the new eating plan after one said is making me too skinny (not good for face when getting old), but I tell them all studies about aging show that caloric limitation improves health. Now you can get back to horse stuff :)
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Journal threads get off topic. That is OK. Diet can be a part of riding horses too. I'm sure Bandit is happier to have 20 lbs less on his back, and maybe someday have a total of 30-35 lbs less to carry.

This Wiki has an interesting chart. The screenshot below comes from it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin_index


The first column is the glycemic index - how our blood sugar responds to X quantity of just that food. The second is the insulin response - how much insulin is produced when we eat just that food. The third is a sustainment index - who long before we feel a need to eat again. Apples, oranges and pasta hold their own fairly well against meat and cheese - unlike what Atkins and Keto diets tend to teach.

Another surprise - may have mentioned this before - is that the white flour tortilla has a glycemic index of 30 instead of flour bread's 100. Why? Because the tortilla has flour and lard, and the presence of lard changes how our body responds to the white flour. The article below has a good review of why glycemic index is not, by itself, very useful:

https://paleoleap.com/6-things-to-know-glycemic-index/

Cutting added sugars and most heavily processed foods makes a lot of sense to me. It was quite a shock to my wife to see how much simple sugar her fruit smoothies had. And to me to see how much sugar my "healthy" instant oatmeal came with - like eating a candy bar!

Once one does that, could a good diet be as simple as eating mixed meals that are not low-fat or low-carb but mixtures, cheerfully including fats, and not eating again until we are hungry? I had 2 scrambled eggs for dinner last night at 5 PM, had a handful of nuts this morning, and I'm not even hungry at 10:30 AM. Well...just a little, but it won't bother me if we eat our main meal at 1 PM today. Could that be normal?

I think Bandit is shaking his head yes. That, or the flies are bugging him...

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My wife & I just finished watching "That Sugar Film" on DVD. I was surprised at how entertaining it was while also discussing how the body processes fructose. My wife enjoyed it enough to freely watch the entire thing, @SueC . My son was slender when he lived with us but packed on the pounds as an adult. I wish I could get him to watch it but...let's just say he's not receptive to those sorts of discussions. They give the grandkids "Frosted Flakes" for breakfast because the kids will then "make their own breakfast". The kids will pour themselves a bowl that is at least 2 serving sizes, so at least 52 grams of total carbs including 20 grams of added sugar. 5 teaspoons. But 2 grams of protein and 220 calories....

ARGHHHHH!!!!!!!! For comparison, a Snicker's bar has 250 calories, 32 grams of carbs, 4 grams of protein and 12 grams of fat. It might be a better breakfast. Not good mind you, but not much worse! But to say something is "criticism" and not received well. Meddling. Such is being a grandparent.

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Oh dear, @bsms , that's so difficult! ...and isn't it sad when a chocolate bar has more nutrition in it than someone's breakfast? We would have had the opposite problem, had we been able to have children. My mother pushes sugar on any kid that enters her house. You can just imagine the, "You're so mean, Granny's so nice, what's wrong with you?" discussions that could lead to...

Family, that's such a difficult subject. It's much easier with friends - you choose them, and you don't have to live with them! Animals are even better, because they don't tend to get weird on people - not without an actual, mostly physical cause...

It's also really hard to watch people stuff their already obese chihuahuas with cake... Stop the planet, I want to get off!

I'm glad you both had a good time watching that film. It's really informative and also so well put together. Do you want to have some more fun around food-related viewing? Because I can highly recommend this food history series called Supersizers Go - and it's all on YouTube too:


They do all the major historical periods, it's really educational - and funny - and thought-provoking.,,

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The Supersizers was quite possibly in my top 5 tv shows of all time! Couldnít get enough of it.
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Part of a post I made on gottatrot's journal. Repeat it here because yesterday's ride was a good learning moment for me.
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Between weather and school, Bandit hadn't been out last week. Did 30 minutes of riding in the arena because the ATVs and motorcycles were out on the trails (I could hear them). We did brief canters, brief trots, multiple stops to grab a mouth of the grass growing from the rain. For canters, since it is so tight a circle, I've taken to riding him out to the road, turning him, asking him to stand, and THEN asking for a straight canter. For all 100-110 feet max. And then a munch stop. He understand this:


much better than this:


I too fall into the trap of "But what I want to do..." Incidentally, he then canters much more like his trail canter. Which is what I want to practice. Not the "Canter in a tight circle" canter that teaches us both bad habits!

He was totally fine with that. "A brief canter for you. Then a few mouthfuls for me. A fast trot around for you. Munchies for me. Life is good!" But of course, no one teaches lessons in riding that way! I've watched plenty of YouTube lessons, read plenty of books, and not one has ever said, "Make sure your horse feels good about what you are doing."

Too many instructors have no business instructing ANYTHING about horses. Far too many lessons are about how to ride badly. Hard to blame the students for learning what an instructor with 30+ years of experience (and lots of ribbons) teaches them.
Cantering in our tight arena leaves me hooking my inside leg to hang on while creating a lot of work for him. Since my goals are focused on what we will do on the trail, shouldn't I practice a trail-like canter instead of circles?

I briefly experimented with raising my stirrups a hole. Dropped them quickly. A western saddle isn't designed for getting your butt out of the saddle and to the rear. Bumps the cantle.

A big part of my objection to "dressage" is that it is oversold. Too many say it is the basis for all good riding. That dressage training is NEEDED. Beneficial to anyone who tosses a leg over the horse. And while it may be a fun way to interact for an experienced rider and a horse, this western rider doesn't see it as a foundation for all riding.

As fond as I am of Littauer, he also oversold forward balance and the Forward System of riding. It is stirrup-centric, he said. Yet good riding is neither stirrup-centric nor seat-centric, but using BOTH regularly as what you do changes. And while moving our balance forward to match the horse's is nice, there is nothing wrong with being an inch or two behind.

After the first 15 minutes yesterday, I shifted the saddle back an inch or more. It had stayed in place with a somewhat loose cinch but Bandit just seemed a little unenthusiastic. Moving the saddle an inch back SEEMED to make him happier. Felt good to me too. So my next few rides I'll try having the saddle 1.5 inches back from "normal". I use the end of his mane and the front edge of my saddle for markers so I can position it precisely before tightening the cinch. Bandit seems to have a broad sweet spot where a loose saddle will stay steady on his back. Or...maybe I'm actually doing something right and not moving around enough in the saddle to shift it. As much as I like Littauer, for our purposes, being a little further back may make Bandit happier. And a happy, free-flowing horse is the goal. Even if that means we don't practice many 45 foot diameter circles at a canter. Because really? Bandit doesn't enjoy those. Tolerates them because he's just a nice fellow. But doesn't enjoy them. Except for once in a while when he offers to do one. ONE. Not a bunch.

MOUNTING: Got a little mounting practice in, using the step stool instead of from the ground since we were in the arena. What I'm shooting for is to be able to mount using just one hand. With the reins and a bunch of mane in my left hand, Bandit doesn't mind me pulling. If I make my primary direction of mounting forward, rather than across, I can often mount without using my right hand at all. The less I tug on the saddle while mounting, the more stable it stays. And Bandit likes stable.

So much to work on! Over 10 years of regular riding and I'm still practicing to get a good mount. In my defense, I think most people suck at mounting. As in "really suck"! Almost every video I can find and the few references to it in books make it a perpendicular motion across the horse's back.

A possible bad habit I'm trying: When I mount from the ground in the desert, Bandit sometimes finds a bit of weed or a few blades of something he wants to eat. Everything I can find says this is bad. After all, it means the reins are fully extended. If he takes off running while I mount, I'll have no rein control.

OTOH: If he feels good enough to drop his head and eat, he isn't in the mood to bolt. And if my mounting is primarily forward, and he starts running on a loose rein, I can either return to the ground (probably stumbling) or continue straight ahead on to his back. Once I'm riding, I can gather the reins and be more directive. If needed.

He seems to think getting a nibble while I mount is OK. It relaxes him as I mount. And I think I can handle the consequences if something does go wrong. But I need to think about it because darn near every book or article says I'm wrong. Although I'm used to that.

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Once I think a horse is broke enough to not pull his head around as I get on, I really donít mind if there is grass there and they eat. I know a lot of people to dislike that, and I understand their view and agree that it is bad manners. I just really donít care myself.

If I didnít think I could stop the horse well enough in a spook I probably wouldnít with that horse. If I figure I can get them stopped I donít mind. Of course I also know I can get the rest of the way on when a horse is running.

Do you want to hear a funny story? I was kind of a wild child. I could be called feral when people were not around to see, and a people pleaser when they were. Then I had zero fear of anything except getting caught. I got caught in several bad circumstances, but some I did manage to get away with.

My friend and I were riding up a mountain where we had killed a couple rattle snakes. When we came to the next one I told her I was going to catch it. She said I was crazy, but after a bit of messing around I finally caught this snake. The horse I was riding was Runt, and she was as wild as I was.

When I went to step into the saddle holding this snake it rattled a bit, and she said I could find another ride, but she wasnít quite stupid enough to allow me onto her back holding that snake. So, she ran out from under me, and I quickly decided rather than lose my hold on the snake I would not get the rest of the way on.

So, in the ruckus I did let a bit of slack into my hand, and I look down to see this snake reaching around to bite my wrist. I threw it, so I wouldnít get bitten, but I didnít check for my aim, and I accidentally threw it quite at my friend. She jumped out of the way, and began scolding me all while laughing at my craziness.

I killed the poor snake then. If I could go back I would have just let him go, as we had both had quite the day, but I drug him home because for whatever reason I believed he proved the story. I wasnít doubted in any case, because everyone knew I was wild as the mare, but I only managed to get into quite a bit of trouble for all my work. Lol

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You couldn't pay me to try to pick up a rattlesnake. They can move FAST! With Bandit, I think it comes down to him becoming such a solid citizen. It is hard to imagine what could cause him, in 1 second, to go from "safe enough to graze" to "must run madly". And in fact, I've never known him to run "madly". Move quickly? yes. Madly? Nope. And it only takes a second to swing a leg over. Then I'm in "ride" mode. He's just a very sane horse.

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