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post #2631 of 2684 Old 05-11-2020, 11:52 AM Thread Starter
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I was trying to remember if you'd said what mouthpiece you were using on Link. You have very soft hands and he is so fussy about the bit. You are thinking work in progress, but I am wondering if he will get over it. Even really green horses "usually" get quiet and accepting fairly quick.

He reminds me of Amore who never did get over her dislike of bits. I am guessing you want the initial training to be in a snaffle, but Amore never really learned to not be fussy in most bits.
Its ironic you mention this, as I actually just changed the bit after a fairly miserable ride yesterday (video is uploading one pixel at a time.. may be done by this afternoon). While I am not sure the bit is the root issue, it seems silly not to explore that as an option.

The bit I had been riding in is a D ring french link with a copper roller. I first started with a loose ring french link with a dogbone. Link was constantly chomping on that, even just for grooming. I thought maybe there was too much play with the rings, so then tried a D ring french link with a lozenge. That was a bit better. Link is insanely mouthy.. he's constantly biting the other horses and chewing on anything he can get his teeth on, but of course everything changes when the object won't leave your mouth! I then changed to the one with the roller and the chomping improved more, though its never gone totally away. All of them I would consider average thickness mouthpieces.

An additional component to the problem is how he expresses his frustration - the [email protected] head flipping. He does that any time he is not happy, including out in the pasture. That is why I started him in the sidepull, only expecting him to carry the bit to begin with. I didn't notice any difference in the head flipping from the sidepull to the bit, as it happens any time he is not a happy camper.

While I do hope to eventually have him in something bitless, I feel it's a vital part of any horse's education to understand and tolerate bits as they are standard equipment for most riders. While I sure don't plan to sell Link, I know that sometimes the unexpected happens despite our intentions and I want him to be set up as best I can for success in the future.

I went up and dug through my bit collection, bringing down a couple single jointed snaffles (one with copper rollers, one without), a low port kimberwick that I removed the curb chain from, a waterford, and D ring myler with a pretty large port. I hung the D ring with the single joint and rollers on the bridle.. if momma natures chills out with the rain, maybe I will get to try it out this week.


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post #2632 of 2684 Old 05-11-2020, 12:00 PM Thread Starter
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And just as general comment.. I ALWAYS welcome advice and suggestions!!

I am lazy at heart, so if someone has a way to make things easier for me, I am all ears. And I am all about learning new things or being able to see things from a different angle, so please, speak up!


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post #2633 of 2684 Old 05-11-2020, 12:07 PM
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And just as general comment.. I ALWAYS welcome advice and suggestions!!

I am lazy at heart, so if someone has a way to make things easier for me, I am all ears. And I am all about learning new things or being able to see things from a different angle, so please, speak up!
Have you considered latex bit wrap? It's my go-to with any bitting problems. I didn't get a chance to try it with my chronic head-flipper before she passed away, but I wish I could have. I've used it on bits with a lozenge to give a bit more stability to the breaks of the bit so that they don't break over as much as they do without the wrap.

I know some horses that are sensitive and mouthy when there is a lot of play in the mouth and cheek pieces do well with a baucher. I've heard that the increased stability in the cheek pieces can make a difference. I bet you could even just try a full-cheek if you have one lying around. I would try different cheekpieces and see if there is a certain one that gives him the stability he wants.

I'm interested to see how he does with the low port kimberwick… Maybe he just prefers a solid mouthed bit, too. The joys of finding the perfect bit!

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Have you considered latex bit wrap?

I've heard that the increased stability in the cheek pieces can make a difference. I bet you could even just try a full-cheek if you have one lying around. I would try different cheekpieces and see if there is a certain one that gives him the stability he wants.

I'm interested to see how he does with the low port kimberwick… Maybe he just prefers a solid mouthed bit, too.
I am pretty sure I have a full cheek single joint, so maybe I will trade out the D ring without the rollers for that one and see if the cheek pieces make a difference. I was planning to try the kimberwick after the single joints.. though its interesting how programmed I am to think jointed = better. I was taught a joint makes for clearer side to side communication, but I suspect nothing is very clear when the head is going up and down like mad.

I hadn't thought about wrapping the bit - well, I admit to thinking maybe if I wrapped it in fruit roll ups he might enjoy that for the 10 minutes I am riding! Something to try if I can't find a mouthpiece he likes on its own (the latex, not the bribery).


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Halla liked single jointed bits much better than double for some reason. It sounds like to some extent Link is going to have to learn to tolerate some fussing with his head, regardless.
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post #2636 of 2684 Old 05-12-2020, 09:04 AM
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And just as general comment.. I ALWAYS welcome advice and suggestions!!

I am lazy at heart, so if someone has a way to make things easier for me, I am all ears. And I am all about learning new things or being able to see things from a different angle, so please, speak up!
I think I might have already mentioned this somewhere on this thread, but a nose net made an incredible improvement on a horse I used to exercise that LOVED to head-flip during rides. Like night and day. Of course, it doesn't address the bit-chomping, but everyone else has already made great suggestions on that!
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Even on the ground, Link was worked up like I have never seen him before. I spent the next 15 minutes doing groundwork and while he was trying really hard to behave, he was obviously upset and laser focused on one specific spot. If I asked him to move, it was all he could do to restrain from bolting away. If I asked him to stand, he stood with his eyes bugging out and his sides heaving. After 5 minutes with no change in his demeanor, I began to suspect one of the spirits that haunts the old house had come out to 'help.'
I have had this experience with horses about 4 or 5 times, more times in PA than anywhere else. Once there were two of us, and the horses followed whatever invisible thing with their heads until it was "gone." I think there are spirits in PA that horses sense.

I had a head roller that also did the thing in the pasture, stall, or any place where she was annoyed. She got a whole lot better with age. I bought her as a yearling and kept her until she died. She hardly ever did it in her 20's--but that's a long time to wait.

About bits, I had a horse that just fretted over bits. Someone suggested to me to try using a sock. I twisted the sock and sewed the twists and then attached it to the bridle. She was much happier with the sock. I used the sock with her for about two years. Each sock lasted about 6 to 8 months. I also bought her as a baby and kept her until she died (I almost always do that). She tolerated other bits as she matured and when I was jousting on her, I used a kimberwicke, which she accepted nicely (when she was much older). I often rode her in a bosal or a hackamore when trail riding.
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post #2638 of 2684 Old 05-13-2020, 09:26 AM Thread Starter
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Friday, momma nature thought she would be funny and truly sent us back to winter.. nothing like putting blankets on everyone in May (and yes, two of those are mid-weights!).



And indeed, the rain and sleet on Friday changed to snow overnight. Not nearly as much as @egrogan got, but offensive just on general principle when our average high this time of year is 70F! Saturday was sunny, but it was cold and the wind was crazy, with gusts over 40 mph.



Sunday morning was still chilly, but the wind has subsided to a breeze so DH and I got Iggy and Phin out. We went up the Sugarloaf, then across the farm to the Tomhicken.



We went out to the yellow gate trail and down across the road to the out and back. Phin was pretty chilly behind Iggy, which was nice for me. We went down the short side trail that goes through the remains of the coal face.



We went home via the gas line. The leaves are finally starting to come out there.



Overall, both boys were really good. Iggy had one small tantrum on the way home, but DH either didn't notice or chose to ignore the warning signs it was coming. [DH has told me he wants to figure out Iggy on his own.. so I just bite my tongue while riding now.. ]

19.1 miles, 2447 feet of climb, 5.2 mph average pace, 52 F real feel


Next I went out to work with Link. The wind had been building back up all day so it was quite gusty by the time we got outside. While Link was quiet to tack and work on the ground, he was very distracted by the movements of the herd in the other paddock. The across the road neighbor also decided it was a good time to mow her lawn, so she was popping in and out of view periodically.


0.78 miles, 20 feet of climb, 3.7 mph average pace, 55F real feel

Super frustrating ride, as he never would settle down and was fussing a lot of the time. Things only seemed to be getting worse the longer I rode, so I took the first chance to end on a good note and got off. Link was antsy in the barn, so I didn't want to reward that by going right back to the herd. Instead, we went for a walk in hand.



Link finally settled down about halfway around the loop and decided that eating grass was better than frantically looking for the herd. When we got back, I took him into the barn and let him chill out while I groomed him before turning him back out.

I had been debating sticking it out with that bit or trying something else.. well today showed that I had nothing to lose by trying something else. I brought out a couple different options and put a D ring single jointed snaffle with rollers on his bridle. Fingers crossed that helps!


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Any horse that is perfect at Link's age and stage of training will probably bore you to tears at the age of 10. I think that you are doing great with him.

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Where has the week gone! Momma nature was fairly pleasant this week, so that has allowed me to be outdoors a lot - meaning I have some catching up to do here.

Tuesday, the sun came out but it was brisk and windy. I started with Iggy. We went out around Spaulding's and he was feeling mighy fine, so off to the Sugarloaf we went. And we climbed..



And we went down the other side, then back up again..



And down and back up again.. that finally got him settled. We then dropped down and went around the farm and home. While Iggy was feeling quite fresh, he was really quite well behaved in terms of fussing, which was a nice surprise.

12.1 miles, 2135 feet of climb, 5.2 mph average pace, 38F real feel


Next up was George, who was also feeling very good. We went out around Spaulding's and appreciated the newly-planted potatoes.



Then we went over and climbed the Sugarloaf. While George was happy and forward, he is still not moving right to me.



When we got back, we took a bareback mosey around Alimar with Kestrel to cool down.



10.5 miles, 1570 feet of climb, 5.8 mph average pace, 44F real feel


The wind was still roaring when I got done with George, so I decided to ground drive Link using the next bit to start. This time we tried a D ring, single jointed snaffle with copper rollers and a medium thickness mouthpiece. He was pretty quiet with his mouth as I was grooming and tacking him up (I always put the bridle on first), so I was hoping that was a good sign.



While Link was silly multiple times due to the wind stirring up monsters, he wasn't doing much head flipping even when spooking and jumping around. I made a point to work him all over the paddock, including in the scary corner beside the graveyard (the location for all the spooking). I thought the bit was worth trying under saddle next time.


Wednesday was cold to start and since the sun was shining, of course it had to be windy. I started with Phin. I expected him to be full of it with the weather and I wasn't wrong. We went out around Spaulding's and then climbed the Sugarloaf.



On the second climb, we found some friends.



Then we dropped down to go around the farm. And found some excitement:


On the way home, we had to go past the Winged Terrors who now inhabit the Pond of Death:


10.7 miles, 1745 feet of climb, 5.7 mph average pace, 39F real feel


Next I worked with Link. I did a bit of ground work before I even brought him in, as it was still windy and he was not impressed with leaving the herd. I tried the 'single pole challenge' that I saw posted on a Book of Faces group. It proved quite challenging as he wanted to stand ON the pole, instead of walking with a foot on either side, but was just what I needed to get Link thinking:


We went into the barn in a much better frame of mind. Link was quiet to tack and didn't fuss much with the bit while we were getting ready.

In the pen, however, was a different story. While there wasn't a ton of head flipping, I don't think he stopped playing with the rollers for more than an instant:


I was not real pleased with that ride, though it wasn't terrible. That bit got put into the 'maybe try again' category.

0.56 miles, 22 feet of climb, 3.5 mph average pace, 50F real feel


Next, I hopped on Iggy just to take Kestrel for a walk. I wanted to reward him with a chill ride after all the climbing the day before. Iggy was not real enthused to leave, but didn't really fuss. And he was certainly happy to only loop around Alimar and head home!



2.5 miles, 219 feet of climb, 3.8 mph average pace, 52F real feel


The wind calmed down by evening, so after dinner I went back out to try the next bit with Link. This one was a full cheek single jointed snaffle with a medium to thick mouthpiece. From the start, there was a lot of chomping and head flipping. Even while I groomed his belly (his favorite place to be scratched), the chomping never stopped.

We headed out to the paddock and he was flipping his head and chomping even as I led him. I was not feeling very confident but wanted to give it a try ground driving just to see. While he was slightly better when moving if the lines were slack, the slightest touch of the reins had his head flipping all over. I don't think we worked more than 5 minutes and I said enough. That bit is a solid no!



Just after we finished, Ed arrived with the nephews to visit the horses. Link is their favorite!





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