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post #281 of 330 Old 11-11-2018, 08:48 PM Thread Starter
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Ohhhh @horseluvr2524 I want baby details!! Didn't you recently move as well?? Sorry if I missed that in another discussion, I don't get around to much other than a couple of subscriptions and this journal.

I do think I have underestimated her intelligence. I always knew she was smart, but she's surprised me with some of the stuff she does. I've ridden her twice since the last time I posted. (She's over her cold). No bucking. She was a bit tense the first time I rode her but we did walk, trot, lope with no issues. My trainer and I were able to get her loping on the lunge line which she didn't want to do at first. I have become quite the ground work fanatic. It's so much easier to work stuff out on the ground where you're safer. There's honestly not much that you can not fix on the ground.

I'm a little concerned that her little blow ups are causing me to "walk on eggshells" when riding her - which my trainer said I absolutely must not do. She's right, and I know it, but at the same time I kind of just want to get 6-7 more rides past us where we have absolutely no expectations whatsoever other than being forward at all 3 gaits.. introduce pressure later.. which I assume a lot of trainers do anyways. We jump in and teach them pretty quick. Most of them at 30 days can move their hindquarters, shoulders, side pass, move off leg, and collect - although they of course have not mastered any of those things. I don't really have a specific timeline for her but at the same time I want to progress quickly so we can hopefully show this spring.

@JoBlueQuarter She is so cute! I agree, looks like she has a bit more growing to do. She sure is pretty.

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post #282 of 330 Old 11-12-2018, 11:33 AM
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Baby spam as requested! If you head over to my journal, "The Trail Less Traveled", you can read the birth story. Little baby is growing so fast. I'm gradually getting used to her doing new things and making new sounds. The first time she made a different sound, I had a freak out moment, I thought something was wrong. Everybody comments on how strong she is. She's smart, strong, and a quick learner. I can't wait to see her riding or practicing martial arts or ballet, whatever she wants to do. Hopefully riding will be a no brainer.

Yes, I'm in Virginia right now. Shan is in Ohio. We'll be in Ohio with Shan in the spring. I get to introduce my baby Aria to Shan when we drive through around Christmas. Looking forward to that. I miss Shan bunches, and can't wait to see how she will react to Aria. She adores babies.

I think if you take things slow with Joy, you'll do fine. The 30 day thing is really more of a commercialized aspect of training. People have a young horse, they don't want to pay for several months of training at say $600 a month. So the trainer gets as much done as possible in those 30 days.

Introduce new things from the ground at first. Then apply those same methods under saddle. If you use say, a dressage whip, to tap her on the ground and get her to move away from pressure, then use the whip in the saddle in the same area, in conjunction with the new leg cue. It gives her a way to understand what you want.

One thing that took me a long time to learn was that while it is great to address things from the ground and a good way to go about it, what you've taught on the ground doesn't really translate to under saddle as well. It is sometimes like dealing with a whole different animal when you move to the saddle. Treat it that way. Introduce the new concepts just as slowly in the saddle as you did on the ground. And, IMO, there's nothing wrong with walking on eggshells, or in other words, simply being cautious and wary of doing things that would put her into overload and cause an explosion. Build that confidence and trust in the saddle before you attempt the more difficult things. Again, it's like starting from scratch, a completely new, different animal. If she's exploding when you try to get her to move away from pressure or whatever, it's probably just because she doesn't understand.

Shan used to explode, run out on you, whatever, if you tried to make her do something new and she didn't understand. I HAD to walk on eggshells with that horse. Any trainer that tried to coerce her would have a massive fight on their hands, and even if they won, she'd often just fight harder the next time. But we've come through all of that and figured out how to communicate, and now she's my go to steady eddie horse, I can go with her anywhere and do anything. The trick with her is, if it's something new, take it very slow and let her understand what is happening. Once she learns it, you never have to revisit it. She never forgets it.
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post #283 of 330 Old 11-15-2018, 10:19 PM Thread Starter
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@horseluvr2524 I'm not really sure how I missed your baby stories! I always keep up with your journal. Or at least I thought I did. LOL. It's in my subscriptions. I'll be sure to head over there and catch up next time I am on here, about to log off. Ever since this time change I am exhausted by 10 PM. Your little girl is tooooo cute! Love the name. I am sure you miss Shan a lot, but I'm sure it's nice to be able to give 110% attention to Aria. I imagine babies take up most of your energy.

And yes you're right, there's no reason to feel like Joy needs to be at a certain point in 30, 60, 90, etc. days. As long as she's doing well enough to show in say 3-4 months I will be pleased. And even if she isn't, well, she's still young. It would not be the end of the world if she's not ready to show in the spring.

A lot of what I have taught her on the ground has transferred under saddle. She can pivot, knows what "whoa" means, can trot when I cluck and lope when I kiss, etc, but one thing that didn't transfer was her confidence. But you know, ever since I got her she's always been unsure of new things. I'm sure we all remember the tarps. LOL. (Which she doesn't care about at all anymore, by the way!) Among other things. But you're right, it's a totally different experience for her under saddle. She is used to looking to me as a partner, I'm sure it's a little unnerving for her to have her leader on her back. It's just different. I try to talk to her a lot when I ride her because I would like to think my voice comforts her.

I actually think I know exactly what caused her initial bucking issues in the first place. I won't go into too many details because it was a negative situation that I'm not in, any longer.

Anyways. I'm supposed to ride her on Saturday. I rode her again since my last entry. No bucking! She did think about bolting but I one rein stopped her and went on to ride as if nothing happened. She did very well. I need to work on yielding her hindquarters, backing, and side passing under saddle. There are my Saturday goals.
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post #284 of 330 Old 11-20-2018, 10:15 PM Thread Starter
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Joy and I had a fabulous day today! We worked on picking up her inside shoulder with inside leg and rein. She was a little sluggish at first but eventually got it. She was so lazy during her ride.

We are going to work on it more tomorrow. She is moving off my leg fairly well considering she has about 10 rides on her. ("Real" rides. Of course I have sat on her before).

I'll post tomorrow and maybe get some pics and/or video!
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post #285 of 330 Old 11-29-2018, 11:09 PM Thread Starter
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Joy rode really nicely for me today.

I think it's safe to say we are past the bucking (of course, I say that, and tomorrow she'll decide she wants to throw a fit)

She is on her... umm... 12th ride? Approximately. I don't work her often - partly because of time and partly because she's only two and a half. I ride her maybe 2x a week for 30 mins at a time.

I've been working on the collection cue. That is one thing that I thought would be soooo easy to learn and it's taken me 9 months to START to truly understand it. I used to think it was about getting them to lower their head. Nope. If anything, when you focus on the head too much, you may bring them into false frame. So I have been working on getting Joy soft - moving off of inside leg and rein, outside leg and rein, and any combination of those 4 things. I've also been working on getting her forward. She is a bit on the lazy side, which a lot of Friesian trainers attribute as a "breed thing." My trainer has taught me that with the exception of a few horses, there is nothing that physically prevents a horse from loping forward consistently. So no excuses. Lol.

When a horse is soft and forward, you can begin to ask for collection. I started on the cue the last time I rode her and quit after she picked her back up and used hindquarters - even thought she only did it for one or two seconds. Today, she was able to hold it for 2-5 seconds. Hopefully next ride it'll be 5-10, 10-15, and in a few more rides I'll have her moving nicely.

My goals for next ride are:

- Work on collection
- Work on backing up
- Work on side passing

And whatever else she may need as things come up.
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post #286 of 330 Old 12-05-2018, 03:46 PM Thread Starter
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New learning curve!

She doesnít want to pick up her left lead. Which is frustrating because Iíve seen her do it on the ground countless times as a baby. She actually has some gorgeous flying lead changes.

Just a thing we will need to work through. She got frustrated because she didnít understand why I kept asking her to lope off and then bring her down to the trot and asking again. I get it. I didnít get mad at her, she WAS trying to understand. And of course I set her up to take the correct lead but sheís too green to really understand. By the end of it she was tired and Iíve learned with her that sometimes itís better just to call it a day then work on it till she gets it right. She burns out mentally very quickly. So next time I ride her Iíll start going toward the left (usually we go right, her good side) and work on exercises at the walk and trot to get her to pick up that correct lead.

Thankfully in the past few months Iíve been learning how to set them up to take the correct lead so we will get there.
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post #287 of 330 Old 12-14-2018, 11:26 PM Thread Starter
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My trainer worked with me on getting Joyís left lead on the ground.. though we havenít practiced it under saddle yet.

Check out this video I got from today! This is approx her 15th-20th ride, super happy with her so far!

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Both of you look just amazing.
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Nice video! About the lead, yeah she may be weaker on that side. The more you work on it, the better it will be.


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Thank you so much @whisperbaby22 and @PoptartShop !!! I really appreciate the kind words and feedback. I like getting other people's opinions. Good and bad. Because I am definitely biased when it comes to Joy!

I think she has gotten a bit weaker on that side. Probably partly my fault because going to the right is my favorite direction too, don't ask me why! Come to think of it, I almost always start my rides off going to the right.. the other half I think is just being a baby and not understanding leads, and how to use her body under saddle, all green horse stuff.

When she isn't being lazy she arches her neck real pretty and has more knee action. Her sire carries himself really nicely too. With time I will push her into the bridle more. I don't really want to ask much of her yet. If I maintain a lot of contact she does tuck her nose in but that's not really what I'm after right now. I'm more concerned about her learning to use her hindquarters properly, get off my leg, be responsive, be soft and quiet, etc. Her head is the last thing I need to concentrate on... which is hard... everyone wants their horse in a nice headset. But I know her head will fall into place as she learns to use her body correctly. Just gotta be patient.
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