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post #21 of 64 Old 11-07-2016, 11:54 PM Thread Starter
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That's a NO on the round pen Dear!

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Keep it coming Tobie! I think I could rescue you, if you behave for me. I have a round pen also!
For the love of horse HELP ME! She took me for a walk and introduced me to me to the neighbor IN THE ROAD!! We were gonna be run over, but I hauled her fat booty out of the way in the nick of time.
Ok, fine. I can't lie. I was in no danger of being run over. BUT have you seen those spreader trucks? Rusted hulking snorting smoking things! All I did was get excited and walk faster than her! She should have moved out of my way..Right? The neighbor called me a "Bad Boy!" I don't think she meant it as the cool usage.
I don't wanna move out just yet, but thanks for the offer. Do you think you could convince this crazy woman to let me run and play all day with the neighbors? Stalker Chick said I am in semi quarantine and can't go play with the neighbors horses yet! I smelled them on the wind. Gahhhh she is so mean!!
Oh and I don't do behave. What is behave? Stalker and Neighbor both told me I had to learn to behave too.... Nope don't wanna behave. Wanna be free! I heard them talking about that round pen thing and training. No round pen. No behave. No training. I am Tobie! I am the wind! Look, cookies!
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post #22 of 64 Old 11-08-2016, 10:34 AM Thread Starter
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Day 9 November 7, 2016

I think we have made great progress on the feeding issue. He will stand patiently for a couple minutes now. I am waiting a little longer and a little longer. The sight of the scoop triggers head high, gotta eat, starving behavior. So, we are using the scoop. I walked around the pasture with the scoop and we took the scoop on our driveway walk. Scoop is no biggie now :)
I decided it is time to learn to lead correctly. Tobie has always had a nylon web halter on. We used a rope halter and it was a bit of an eye opener. He wants to walk me.... We are totally starting over. His concept of halter broke and mine are not even in the same galaxy.
In my infinite wisdom I decided to push the envelope a bit on leading. I need to know where the pull kicks in... does that make sense. TF said I set him up for failure. No, I set him up to my expectations. I don't want a horse I have to constantly fight to keep under simple control. He has no concept of how to walk without yanking my arm half out of socket. But he will soon. Did I mention I gave away my crop, Handy stick, and even the buggy whip I had for decoration. I guess we are gonna turn this lounge whip into a multi purpose tool.
A nice round pen might make this go faster, but I'll make do with what I have, myself and him LOL
We did start learning to drop his head. He is 16 hh and a bit. When he lifts his head I have no hope of reaching that high. So taking a halter off and on is an exercise in precision timing, handling, and smooth moves. I feel like it's an all out sneak attack. I want him to bring his head down and not do the dance while I halter him. On the list of first things.
I haven't had this experience in years.... It's been a while since I started a horse and I feel "rusty." Light bulb moments are frequent so I haven't lost hope that I still got this. While I am not a trainer, nor do I claim to be one, I have started horses since I was a young teen. I know I got this.
It took all of 2 days to teach Rascal that the halter is good. Tobie is so distracted by everything I'll be lucky if he gets this in 2 weeks LOL. Patience, repetition, and consistency will be our motto. For real, I am putting it on the fence beside his bucket and in the barn.
Tobie met one of our neighbors yesterday. We have a wide shoulder on one side of the road and light traffic after the work force and school children are on their way. So, we took a walk. Tobie does NOT like spreader trucks. I did a bit of grass skiing but all was well. Said neighbor got out of her car to meet him after the episode.
This is the same neighbor Rascal used to go visit her little appy. She expressed her sorrow about Rascal. We both had a good cry. She also let me know they are putting down new footing in their small arena/lg round pen soon. She said if I need it, just let her know. Nice neighbor :)
We kept a good distance away as Tobie hasn't finished his quarantine yet. Coggins pull was negative, but I wouldn't want someone taking chances with him, so I won't take chances with anyone else's. 3 weeks and we have a round pen and an arena (other neighbor) at our disposal. 3 weeks to learn to lead, give to pressure, and pay attention..... He can do this. So can I.

Maybe I need a goal sheet

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post #23 of 64 Old 11-08-2016, 05:23 PM Thread Starter
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Day 10 November 8, 2016

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR I swear he can bite the fastest of any horse I have ever seen!!

Usually it has been small nips. And this was, in a sense, the same. Yes he has been corrected each time he put his lips on me. Usually a short chop under the chin or a sharp nudge from the elbow. Sometimes a resounding whack to the chest. Depends on where I am and what I am doing.
I was grooming his face and forelock. Normal stuff. No warning from him......He bit the boobage. I wasn't planning on ever whacking his face like that. I know some times they will leave you no choice. Like earlier. So, the face got smacked with both hands! One came to the boobage he still had a hold of and got his muzzle the other his cheek. Then I chased him half way across the pasture. I was mad as hell. I don't usually lose my temper like that, but OMG that HURT!


On a positive note we walked the pasture earlier. He is stating to understand the leading BESIDE me and not dead on behind me. Or running over me. Progress of a sort.

Anyone want to chime in on a sure fire way to break a biter?

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post #24 of 64 Old 11-08-2016, 06:05 PM
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I don't know more than what you are already doing! My colt could be a biter at first, but after a couple times he decided that wasn't such a smart idea. Lol

My husband's filly is a biter too. Kinda spoiled like... I tried to wack her and missed, so she hasn't been stopped yet. Lo. Good luck.

Oh, and sorry about the boobage!
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OUCH! I usually would do what you're doing, but if it's just small nips, I put a nail (hardware kind, not finger nail) between my fingers and stop the nip by jamming my fingers and nail in his lips whenever it comes for me.

I tell you, Tobie is a lot like my sisters' mustang gelding "Battle", (appropriately named mind you) that horse can bite and kick lightning fast!
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Boobage is going to be ok Knave. :) Bruised but no "lasting" damage. Thanks for the sympathy!
I told DH and he laughed and laughed, until I went to shower.... He isn't happy much. He did that man thing, "He better think twice before he bites me like that!" I explained this is why I don't want everyone messing with him and handing out half a bag of treats. He has to learn to act like somebody, besides the tazmanian devil, before we go handing out treats like crazy.

GMA100 Tobie perplexes me. He can actually show you he has a brain one minute and then *poof* brain is on vacation. I know a lot of it is he is still young. Battle would be an apt name for him also. LMAO
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I'm glad it's okay! What an ***. My husband says the same as you. One of my kids always picks treats when she wins an event gymkhana'ing or in 4H, and I've gotten in the habit of handing them out. When husband's filly tried to bite the first time he was like "NO TREATS ever! That's why she does this!" I had to laugh though because she'd only ever had one, so I think she bites because she's a... hmm... princess...
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Not a lot happening the past few days. The wildfires north of us and all the smoke are keeping Tobie pretty freaked out. I've used the freak out time to reinforce "STAY OFF ME." Bruised heel where he stepped on it. This was my own fault for wearing sandals. I went out to check on him and give him a carrot. I couldn't resist a bit of- I lead, you walk beside me. *Note to self: Practice what you preach and wear shoes/boots NOT sandals!*
I bought him a Jolly Ball today. He spent 2 hours, til it was to dark to see him, pawing it and kicking it around the pasture. It's the one with the handle. He picked it up and dropped it, I hope he figures out he can throw it. If he never plays with it again it is the best $20 I have spent in a while. It was nice seeing him act like a horse and not so uptight.
He was perfectly focused on that ball. And he is AGILE, sure footed when it comes to kicking the ball and catching up with it to spin around and paw it some more.
OH, he was introduced to the sprinkler today. DH decided "poor Tobie" was in need of some green grass. We might still get a bit of growth before it gets cold and it goes totally dormant. Who knows? DH and Tobie both had fun with it. So again, it was money well spent.
Feeding transition is going ok, I think. Dh wants me to step it up and bring him off the allgrain/sweetfeed and concentrate on the Dumoor. While I agree it will be healthier in the long run, I ain't rushing transition time.
Free choice hay would be great, if he would actually go into the barn. He hates our barn. So, Dh has agreed to demo part of it and do what I wanted in the first place. It has to wait til spring, but ok. It works for dry storing hay until we can make the needed changes.
Until then Tobie is bedded down in shavings beside the old well house. It's cinder block walls so it is sturdy! He picked Rascals old stand by spot to bed down in. I think it has to do with blocking the wind. We're going to put up a temp shed roof and sides so at least he has a 3 sided run in.
We discussed laying down a sand bed and shavings on top of that, but IDK. Pros-cons of sand.... I guess I am gonna need to look in to that ASAP.
My cousin, who is responsible for helping bring Tobie into my life got to meet him Friday. He was on his best behavior. I let her give him the 2 apples she brought him. He took them politely and calmly. Ate them and let her pet on him. We took some pictures. Annnddddd he nipped her.
We have also been working hard on the feet. He either pays hit bit of attention to getting his feet done, or he kicks when you go to do the back. You never know if he is gonna or not. Tomorrow instead of picking his feet twice I am gonna do the 4 or 5 times. They don't need that much attention, but he needs the practice. And I need to figure out WHY he kicks, so I can fix the issue.

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Sounds like you've been doing pretty good, but hate to hear about the heel and boobage! They can be pains, lol

I know hitting the face isn't good under most circumstances, but I've actually found an open handed pop on the end of the nose to be one of the best deterrents to a biter. Had a friend's QH gelding reach around and grab the back of my arm while I was blanketing him. He got popped on the end of the muzzle (not hard because there's a lot of nerves there, which I guess is why it works) and then short tied so he couldn't do it again. Has worked for any horse that's ever tried to bite me and did not have any lasting negative effect. I do not advocate hitting horses in the face, but being mouthy and biting is the exception to that rule (when just pushing them away doesn't work or it's an open mouth, grabbing meat bite like Tobie did.)

I don't like to hit a horse but I will if I have to. (I also always go Ahh! (you know the noise, lol) when they do something wrong so they learn the sound as sort of a warning (works pretty good).

IME physically correcting them in the closest possible place to the offense works the best (ie biting:nose, kicking:shoulder/hip, etc.)

As far as the kicking when doing his feet have you tried running your hand down his leg more slowly? Above mentioned QH was a kicker whenever his hooves would be picked. I popped him on the neck or shoulder once or twice when his rider was doing it because she would jump away from him instead of making a correction. Then I went to clean his feet and made a conscious effort to slow down and not rush my hand down his leg. Never offered to kick one time, and she does the same, hasn't had problems since.

I'm enjoying reading this, and Tobie is a very good story writer, lol. Good luck!
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Sounds like you've been doing pretty good, but hate to hear about the heel totally my own fault though. If I had been wearing shoes it would have slid on off and just been a training moment..and boobage! They can be pains, lol

I know hitting the face isn't good under most circumstances, but I've actually found an open handed pop on the end of the nose to be one of the best deterrents to a biter. Had a friend's QH gelding reach around and grab the back of my arm while I was blanketing him. He got popped on the end of the muzzle (not hard because there's a lot of nerves there, which I guess is why it works) and then short tied so he couldn't do it again. I've always been of the same mind. I don't want him head shy, but this biting has to stop also. Has worked for any horse that's ever tried to bite me and did not have any lasting negative effect. I do not advocate hitting horses in the face, but being mouthy and biting is the exception to that rule (when just pushing them away doesn't work or it's an open mouth, grabbing meat bite like Tobie did. Exactly)

I don't like to hit a horse but I will if I have to. (I also always go Ahh! (you know the noise, lol) when they do something wrong so they learn the sound as sort of a warning (works pretty good). Yep I most always give a warning unless it is kicking. Then there is no warning.

IME physically correcting them in the closest possible place to the offense works the best (ie biting:nose, kicking:shoulder/hip, etc.) I agree

As far as the kicking when doing his feet have you tried running your hand down his leg more slowly? This is in the plan for tomorrow! Above mentioned QH was a kicker whenever his hooves would be picked. I popped him on the neck or shoulder once or twice when his rider was doing it because she would jump away from him instead of making a correction. Then I went to clean his feet and made a conscious effort to slow down and not rush my hand down his leg. Never offered to kick one time, and she does the same, hasn't had problems since.

I'm enjoying reading this, and Tobie is a very good story writer, lol. Good luck!
There is a Tobie post coming up LOL It's fun and I swear if he could write, he would and he would sound just like this!

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