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post #4331 of 5347 Old 10-30-2016, 12:46 AM Thread Starter
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I want to clarify about saddle weight. I do like lightweight but additionally, the saddle MUST be of good construction, quality and fit. That comes before weight for me.
The fitter yesterday inspected the new saddle and said it's a great quality saddle that looks barely used, possibly a demo. And the thing does look and feel brand new. The leather is VERY STIFF! A dramatic change from the old saddle where everything was so butter soft.

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And I think the ropers here can answer your question better, but I will tell you that back in the 70's, I bought a Big Horn roping saddle because I didn't know anything and all the horse people I knew were ropers. It was built up in the front of the seat, was so heavy I had difficulty saddling my 14.2 horse with it (I am short) and it was very uncomfortable for me to just pleasure ride in. There are pleasure/trail saddles that are MUCH lighter than a roping saddle. The weight of the roper on my horse wasn't too bad, but I was then one of those 110 pound riders and the horse had much heavier bone than Fly.
Why are roping saddles so heavy?

Im guessing these barrel saddles are made so light and simple because whoever using it for racing will be all about speed and running fast.

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I hope you will be happy with your new saddle. As long as the saddle is not overhanging the pad back and front why would you want an oversized, too long one? I don't understand the idea that a lot of pad needs to be over the withers if there is nothing over it, seems like overkill to me. Or maybe I am missing something. Is this fitter trying to sell you a cinch and pad?
Well the fitter doesn't make her own pads but who knows maybe she gets a commission from getting her customers to spend money at tack shops.

Her explanation was that having more pad up front on a horse won't interfere with their movements while being ridden. For me though, I just don't think its needed to have all that extra padding there. They will have extra rubbing when they turn their heads, and more insulation where they can just develop more sweat
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This is dun. :)
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IMHO, too much pad for the saddle. It lifts the saddle up enough that there isn't much left to hang on to Fly's back in a turn. With decent saddle fit, 1" of padding is plenty - near the upper limit.

"She wants me to get a pad with 3 shim pockets, remove the back and keep the middle one in (to fill that bridge under the gullet where there is not enough contact against Fly's body). By closing that bridge, it will distribute the weight of the rider more evenly and more weight felt towards her hind end which is what you want. It will also lift the very front of the saddle enough to take some pressure off her withers."

Makes no sense to me. If the saddle doesn't touch the withers with you in it, it is clear. Can you take a picture similar to this:



And maybe try riding her with just a 1" felt pad? NO shims, no doo-hickies, just a felt pad between the saddle and Fly?

"Why are roping saddles so heavy?"

Because if a steer hits the end of the rope that is on your horn, having the saddle come apart will ruin your day? The tree of a roping saddle, and the horn, need to be built up strong enough to handle loads a non-roping saddle will not encounter. And that adds weight.

"They will have extra rubbing when they turn their heads, and more insulation where they can just develop more sweat"

Doesn't work that way. Not even close.

"If I gave my horse this many cookies, he would be pawing, too."

Mine would be so fat we'd have to put him on roller skates to move him.

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I agree with Drafty, the saddle pad isn't too long, but it does look goofy with the saddle. Greentree is right, it's just... too much pad. Again, I'm tossing my opinion in with the nice rounded endurance pads, if you want a pad with shims that won't look ridiculously awkward with your saddle.

On a good note, your cinch looks fine to me, so long as you've actually got it tightened up in these pictures. It'll be even more fine with a smaller pad, since you'll have a bit more clearance for the rings.

Again, not a western saddle expert, so I'll leave comments about fit to someone else with more expertise.
Tomorrow morning, I am going to another tack shop to try out their pads.

I think the Classic Equine mohair cinch looks fine. All I know is that the Billy Cook one doesn't feel near as good as this one. The strands are a lot softer and mushy whereas the Classic Equine has resistance.

Actually in those pictures, the cinch isn't fully tightened. I tighten, but never fully tighten until I get into the arena before mounting because she will always let out air when standing anyways.
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C'mon, Hoofpic, why would you have to ask why is a roping saddle is so heavy. Have you ever seen calf or steer roping?
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"If I gave my horse this many cookies, he would be pawing, too."

Mine would be so fat we'd have to put him on roller skates to move him.
Not to mention his teeth would be falling out from all of that sugar.
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Well you have learned what to look for from saddle fitter & maybe this saddle is the better of the 2 but...I'm not a fan of that saddle. Your horse probably would be best with a rounded or shorter skirt for sure but that is extreme. If your plan is to do some trailriding or some other disciplines beyond beyond gymkana I would be looking for something more like a wade,reiner or an allpurpose/equitation type saddle Billy cooks do fit a wider,crates or older model circle Y would also probably do well{they fit variety of horses}. The older models also have shorter skirts & are built much better than those brands today.You might also look for a older used Vic Bennet {popular around here ,usually pretty pricey but great saddles}
Just curious on why you aren't a fan of this saddle? Do you think it's too light or small for her?

I know my fitter said that a cowhorse saddle would fit her the best and would clear up pressure on the withers because of the wider gullet bars. But it's $3000 for one from her.

I do remember my fitter mentioning a reiner yesterday as well.

If I do ever get into Cowboy challenge, I think this barrel saddle that I got now would really come in handy.
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I don't understand how the mood of the other horses at the barn effects your ability to test out a saddle. If your horse isn't focused on YOU when you are in the saddle, something needs to change. With all the other crap going on with you, it's difficult to say what that "something" is. I don't give a flying rat's behind how the other horses at the barn are acting or feeling. My horse better be paying attention to ME when I'm asking him to work or there will be hell to pay.

ETA: That pad isn't too long at all. It looks a little goofy with a round skirt saddle, but it's not too long for the horse.

Also, that's not nylon on top of it. It's canvas. I'd love a pad like that for my saddle. Doesn't work with your saddle, though. I would go with a pad similar to the ones I posted, if you insist on shims.
I don't either but you have to remember, everyone at my barn factors all that stuff in. Like my friends mare today was acting up so my friend got worked up over it and said she could be in heat (though she always says this) and I just ignore it when I hear her say it.
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"would clear up pressure on the withers because of the wider gullet bars"

?????????????????????????

Might be time to ditch the saddle fitters and spend a few hours reading for free at the Nikkel's website:

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"would clear up pressure on the withers because of the wider gullet bars"

?????????????????????????

Might be time to ditch the saddle fitters and spend a few hours reading for free at the Nikkel's website:

Saddle Fit Blog Post Links
Fitters are a great resource, but nothing beats out good research. I do think Hoofpic did well in consulting with an expert, but I think he should also do the research for himself, too. That way he can make educated decisions about the info the fitter gave him.
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