Pippa's Secret - Page 4 - The Horse Forum
 332Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #31 of 81 Old 02-11-2019, 11:06 PM
Yearling
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: north
Posts: 1,373
• Horses: 1
This is super interesting to read. I've been reading a lot on behaviour in animals and lately on trigger stacking and behavioural extinction. The former explains a little why spooky horses don't get better from "flooding" (or really nothing does if we're honest). Behavioural extinction and "behavioural extinction bursts are super interesting since it's how the brain removes a course of action from it's responses. It can be slow, by simply removing or changing the stimulus until it is no longer familiar to the animal, or it can involve applying the stimulus and creating a situation where the animal offers a different response. Nick is like your Pippa, he thinks running is safe. He takes a lot to get through to. Fortunately he's pretty well chilled after 3 years but occasionally I see his predispositions at work. Behavioural extinction bursts have to do with the second method of "rewiring the brain" when the animal realizes the familiar course of action doesn't work, and even if they now understand what the desired response is- they will 'up the ante' and do what was familiar, but like 100x harder and longer. I saw this with my pony in trailer loading, where one day after a week of working on it with steady progress, it took me five hours and the next day, after the dust had settled, 2 minutes.


What kind of natural horsemanship does this trainer practice. From reading- I am very impressed with his methods.
gottatrot, knightrider and Avna like this.


"Stay ON the horse IN the arena" -my trainer.
lostastirrup is offline  
post #32 of 81 Old 02-12-2019, 06:52 AM Thread Starter
Trained
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Western Massachusetts
Posts: 5,420
• Horses: 3
@lostastirrup , to answer your question, I don't know what kind of natural horsemanship he practices. My guess is, he's like other good trainers, in that he has picked up techniques that make sense and work for him, and made them his own. He's been riding all his life and training professionally for a few decades now. His mother was a horse trainer and he started out learning from her. You won't find the term natural horsemanship on his website, and I didn't see any 'special equipment' in his tack room. He's not a fancy hat with a big ego.

I've heard "behavioral extinction bursts" compared to how you bang on a vending machine that has eaten your money, before you give up and walk away. "This is supposed to work! Why isn't it?!"

Pippa looked good with a saddle on her! She would make a very fine, forward, sensitive riding pony for a skilled child or small adult. She will never be a safe beginner pony though.

I don't care if she ever becomes a driving pony. I have two goals for her. One, that she learn to trust people. Two, that she acquire a useful skill. I have a very strong belief that the best thing you can do for a horse's future is make them marketable, whether you ever need to sell them or not. I'd like to keep Pippa happy on my farm for the rest of her life, but no one knows what the future holds. If something happened to me, such that I had to disperse my animals, there is going to be a huge difference between "fancy show and pleasure pony" and "fearful untrainable pony" in terms of where Pippa would end up.

It was much the same for my Brooke. "Unstarted short brown grade Morgan mare" is a lot different than "experienced elegant small trail horse with first-level dressage skills". For a grade horse, especially, often the only thing standing between them and the slaughterhouse is training.

Short horse lover
Avna is online now  
post #33 of 81 Old 02-12-2019, 08:27 AM
Yearling
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: GA
Posts: 1,366
• Horses: 0
Subbing! I love this journal and your style of writing! You make it seem like I’m right there instead of just reading.
knightrider, lostastirrup and Avna like this.

You must be the change you wish to see in the world.
Live as if you were to die tomorrow; learn as if you were to live forever.
The best way to find yourself is to lose yourself in the service of others.-Gandhi
GMA100 is online now  
post #34 of 81 Old 02-12-2019, 10:21 AM
Started
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 2,271
• Horses: 0
@Avna your writing is so descriptive and I love how insightful your trainer is. I am going to take away from your post about the increment levels of each step. Once I read it - it made total sense! I am happy she is progressing and even happier that you are spending the money to make Pippa a better horse. Because you are right - Forever does not always mean FOREVER - unimaginable things happen and we have to prepare our horses just in case.
carshon is offline  
post #35 of 81 Old 02-21-2019, 06:12 PM Thread Starter
Trained
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Western Massachusetts
Posts: 5,420
• Horses: 3
Today I went out to see Pippa again after a ten day hiatus. The trainer had sent me a photo of him sitting on her, his feet practically dragging on the ground. He's thin, but pony-rider size he is not.
He told me as his intern brought Pippa into the indoor arena and turned her into the round pen, that the day before, he hadn't needed to do any 'roundpenning', she was ready to work from the start.

Today, though, not so much. There was a guy loading fence panels on to a flat bed trailer right outside, and two horses were being ridden in the adjacent space. She needed to be sent around several times before she was ready to settle down. Then, he brushed her, picked her feet, put a saddle blanket on her, walked her around, put the saddle on, walked her around, cinched it up, walked her around .... she had nothing on her head. "I want her to be able to choose to leave if she feels she has to." She didn't leave. She didn't even move her feet unless invited for a walk.

At this point he turned the session over to an intern, a girl who was probably a bit older than she looked, and taller than me, but I could have picked her up and carried her under my arm she was so skinny. The intern put her foot in the stirrup, took it out, gave Pippa a little withers scritch, did that about five times on each side, then put weight in the stirrup, repeat both sides a few times ... slowly with many repetitions and scritches she got into the saddle. Pippa did not move, and it seemed to me she was feeling kind of contemplative about the whole thing. She wasn't relaxed, but she was not a coiled spring either.

Her halter was put on her and reins were snapped to the cheek pieces. The intern got her to move by simply turning her head with the rein and encouraging her a bit. The trainer said, "all we want at this point is movement, don't much care where she goes." At first Pippa went in unsteady jerky circles, but gradually and gently the intern got her straightened out and walking sort of in a straight line. Pippa began to get a rhythm up, and had a bit of trouble stopping. "They all do that," the trainer remarked. "She just doesn't understand the cue yet."

He told me that it was quite clear that Pippa had been ridden before. "She had some not-so-good training at some point ... let's put it this way, she has learned to be afraid of people through experience. She is not a blank slate." But he was quite optimistic. "She's an honest horse, she tries her best, and she lets you know what she's feeling. She's coming along real well."

I thought so too.

Short horse lover
Avna is online now  
post #36 of 81 Old 02-22-2019, 09:45 AM
Started
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 2,271
• Horses: 0
@Avna - I am smiling reading this. Isn't that what we all want? A good honest relationship- whether human or horse? What a great trainer for Pippa- it makes me so sad to know that some horses just were never given a chance.
carshon is offline  
post #37 of 81 Old 02-22-2019, 10:06 AM Thread Starter
Trained
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Western Massachusetts
Posts: 5,420
• Horses: 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by carshon View Post
@Avna - I am smiling reading this. Isn't that what we all want? A good honest relationship- whether human or horse? What a great trainer for Pippa- it makes me so sad to know that some horses just were never given a chance.
Yes. Pippa was one of those horses somebody ruined and then gave up on. The family that gave her to my trainer said "oh, she's unrideable." Truth is, somebody made her that way.

Pippa looks adorable under saddle. I will take pictures next time.

Short horse lover
Avna is online now  
post #38 of 81 Old 02-22-2019, 12:22 PM
Yearling
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: GA
Posts: 1,366
• Horses: 0
How amazing that she’s turning around! It sounds like her trainer is one awesome horseman!!

I’m looking forwards to more updates and, pictures of course!
gottatrot, knightrider and LoriF like this.

You must be the change you wish to see in the world.
Live as if you were to die tomorrow; learn as if you were to live forever.
The best way to find yourself is to lose yourself in the service of others.-Gandhi
GMA100 is online now  
post #39 of 81 Old 02-22-2019, 12:28 PM
Yearling
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: north
Posts: 1,373
• Horses: 1
I second the desire for pictures!
gottatrot and knightrider like this.


"Stay ON the horse IN the arena" -my trainer.
lostastirrup is offline  
post #40 of 81 Old 02-24-2019, 01:41 PM
Green Broke
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Maine
Posts: 4,066
• Horses: 2
I am thoroughly enjoying the story of Pippa! Can't wait for the next post!
gottatrot and LoriF like this.

Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, "Oh crap, she's up!".
Walkamile is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.



User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Malakai (OTTB) and Pippa (Mini) NordicJuniper Horse Pictures 7 06-08-2014 07:43 PM
Breaking in Pippa... Barrelracingllamalover Horse Training 13 09-01-2013 11:25 AM
Pippa and Kate are gone Sophie19 Horse Talk 4 01-21-2012 12:47 PM
Pippa and Kate Sophie19 Horse Pictures 10 01-01-2012 10:31 PM
Secret Sister/Secret Santa? my2geldings General Off Topic Discussion 57 10-30-2009 04:30 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome