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post #2171 of 2224 Old 08-30-2019, 01:44 AM
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I am still dreaming of Sue's beautiful beaches.....
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@gottatrot , part of my problem is the conflicting comments from the different people. My hoof instructor told me, "Don't touch the heels. The toes are currently too long, so trim the toes; leave the heels." When my friend, who also is quite proficient, examined my work, she said, "Of course, you need to trim the heels; you haven't taken anything off the heels.," I watch farrier videos and they also say conflicting things. I am getting the feeling that there are many ways to trim feet and most likely my "lousy" job, (which looks fairly neat and tidy to my mind) is someone else's decent job. Well, I am going to be optimistic and hope that.
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I agree with you @knightrider ! I'm not picking on anyone, but I don't think I've ever seen a picture of a hoof posted on the forum that people looked at and said "that looks great!" Sure, there's probably room for improvement or different philosophies to approach the same problem, but while I know there are some questionable farriers out there, I can't believe that every farrier is terrible at their job. Maybe more than anything in horses, I think looking at feet is an area where there is virtually no agreement. Good for you for getting some lessons though. Someday, when I can create 20 hours of daylight, maybe I'll be able to do that too
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@knightrider there do seem to be a lot of philosophies on feet, don’t there? My father takes the heels rather short, and our friend prefers a longer heel with a shorter toe. It is a frustrating thing, trying to decide what you think is right. Don’t worry though, you will get there!
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post #2175 of 2224 Old 09-03-2019, 06:45 AM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by waresbear View Post
Those beautiful beaches with the white sand, people can swim there right? Are there sharks there?🦈🦈
Oooh, where'd you get those emojis?

Yes, people can swim (but it's cold, so we just wade), and yes, there are sharks, and sometimes people get bitten, but mostly sharks get eaten by humans as fish & chips here!

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Originally Posted by Knave View Post
Yes, school is back to the forefront. The oldest got voted class president, and the girls are back into the same school this year.

I think my parents tried boots on one of our cowdogs once. I can’t remember much about it, but I think he had damaged his paws pretty dramatically on a hot work day.
Well done to older girl, and best wishes for the school year for both of them!

Eeek, do you sometimes get really hot ground in summer as well? That amazed me about Australia, when I first got here - trying to walk barefoot on the tarmac in summer, like in Europe, and - just no!!! I couldn't believe how hot the roads got...ouch...

@knightrider , you seem to have pinpointed the Aci problem on that ride! It's not pleasant when things like this happen. And it's cool that you communicate so closely with your horses! And yeah, don't give up on your trimming, practice makes perfect - or at least competent! You care about your horses far more than any farrier is going to, so if the standards of Australian farriers are anything to go by, you are going to do a better job than most farriers if you persist with it. How's your daughter going, feeling any better? Maybe you could tell her the story about how I was all heartbroken when I broke up with my first boyfriend, but the man I eventually married many years later was a far nicer, more ethical, more together, more imaginative, more clever, more funny person than anyone else I ever dated - he's like a big care bear (but don't tell him that - he'd find it embarrassing - he's OK with being called my growly bear though! )

@gottatrot , exactly! Hope all is well in your world!

@egrogan , it's so nice to see you doing long trails on Fizz, and setting yourself some goals for competing - both of those are great fun! ...if you find a way to create 20 hours of daylight, please let us know how to replicate it here!
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I was discussing how to we decide whether or not we are going to adopt "new" music into our listening repertoire with someone, which led to me thinking about all sorts of choices, and writing this reflection, which the bookworms amongst you should be able to relate to! How do you make your decisions about music, or anything else?


I was 14 when I first stood inside a university library. I'd gone there for the day because our school had a staff development day, which meant the students had a day off. I was in the city for senior high school, had just started Year 11, and could take a bus to places like this. From the age of six I had spent much of my spare time in school libraries, browsing and then borrowing voraciously across fiction and non-fiction alike, books like treasure to take home. I could open them up and jump in, thresholds to other worlds, and to this world too – but like in Gulliver's travels, where you could see things both in finer detail and from further away than your everyday perspective.

So a building reputedly with several floors of books drew me like a pilgrim might be drawn to a cathedral. I'd never been to a place like this before. I walked through the sliding glass doors; two university students smiled at me. I was struck by that because generally, older age groups in school hadn't been that welcoming. These people were old enough to vote, were doing degrees, and they were friendly, acknowledged me. It gave me a good feeling, on top of being about to see more books in one place than I ever had in my life.

And it was extraordinary. The ground floor alone was ten times the size of our high school library, the shelves much taller, rows and rows and rows of books, and long, wide tables in the middle with people sitting at them, books piled around them, writing furiously into notebooks. Ground floor, sociology, philosophy, theology, history, art, literature. Basement, botany, zoology, physics, chemistry, geology, geography, a section of coffee table books filled with photographs of the world.

After a reconnaisance through the building, I settled into the sociology/philosophy section and browsed. I pulled titles that intrigued me off the shelves, opened them to the chapter index, flicked through randomly, and got shivers down my spine as entire new ways of looking and thinking opened up to me and tripped open trapdoors in my mind. Eventually, I chose a handful of books on the American civil rights movement, and on the philosophy of nonviolent action, and carried them to a distraction-free study desk tucked away by a window. And I read, and read, and read, electrified and barely breathing. When I looked up, the sun was setting, and my stomach was growling at me – I'd completely forgotten to have lunch. As I returned the books to their shelves, I was suddenly struck by a piercing realisation: Even if I lived to be one hundred, I could never read all the books in this library.

Two years later, I returned to spend four years doing a double-major science degree at this university – Murdoch University, Perth, Western Australia – and even with all the required subject reading, and taking home recreational reading predominantly from the literature, art, and philosophy sections, I wouldn't have read 0.5% of the books in that library. And it makes you think, about how you might make your choices, both in books and in life.

Brett always says to me, “Life is too short to read books that don't interest you.” Like me, he's very aware that the amount of worthy reading material on offer vastly exceeds the amount of time we will have to read. And the same is true for movies, and art, and music as well – we have to find ways of choosing from the vast sea of these things, and that tends to make us very selective. Also, cultural forms of recreation and self-education need to share space in our lives with other priorities, like physical activity to keep our bodies in good shape, enough sleep, doing our part-time paid work, managing our farm, and growing and preparing food.

We often wish for 40 hours in the day, as a sort of bonus life, to fit more in, but when we look at it, we actually do fit in amazing amounts, and tend to use our time well. At midlife, you tend to review how things went in the first half, and make priorities for the second half. We're both happy with what we've achieved in our first 40 years on this planet – and then we tree-changed, of course, owner-built and downshifted, so we no longer work full-time outside our home, and we finally have enough time for each other and for the important things that were always on hold before we quit the rat race.

We're pretty happy with our decision-making protocols – I know I've become very much the kind of person I aimed to become, when I was a teenager, and I've contributed in ways that mattered, and continue to do so; and if that weren't enough, I also found a sort of personal Eden – the thing I didn't have as a child, and not until I met Brett a dozen years ago – namely generous lashings of love, support, connection, camaraderie in the household I live in; and a microcosm run according to our own shared values and preferences.

So in the context of that, making decisions over which music to listen to is just one small piece of the puzzle. But how do we decide? Well, here's what I want from music: I want it to be nourishing in some way – either emotionally, or by making me think. I prefer it to be beautiful, although I also have time for experimental music. If it is those things, it will find a place in me. I'm the kind of person who prefers to have deep engagements, rather than more superficial ones – I will re-read books I like many times, knowing it means there will be some books worth my while I will never read at all; but I really want that deep engagement with things that have especially moved me, instead of endlessly chasing all over the place for more things that might. Same with music, films, art. With that approach, I get a balance of continuing dialogue with “old friends” from whom I am still learning, and picking up new material from the as yet unfamiliar.

And I'm with Brett on this: In general, if it doesn't make you sparkle, don't waste your time – not when every yes to something is a no to something else. So for us: Don't eat Cadbury's chocolate when you could be eating one square of Lindt. Climb a real mountain if you can, walk a real shoreline, instead of just exercising in buildings which make exercise one-dimensional. Pick the things that are good for you off the smorgasbord, and be confident in your instincts. It's your life, be responsible for it, live it.

Of course we all have chores to do in life, which may not be so pleasant, but even there we can choose our attitudes, and our reward systems. When we do housework, we are both motivated by wanting our partner to have a nice environment to live in, good food to eat, etc; and often we will do a particular task so the other person won't have to do it when they're tired. Brett usually won't let me wash up; he turns into a growly bear at the sink and tells me washing up is man's work and I should go sit down and relax. Since I do most of the food preparation, which I really really enjoy, that's fair – although doing dishes is dull, Brett says not to worry, he has audio dramas on his iPod especially for this purpose. It's so much easier to do your chores when you're doing them out of love, as well.

That's chores... and as for listening to music or reading books, for us that should be a joy, or at least highly thought-provoking. So those are some of the values we live by, and each person must decide for themselves what their values are, and how to live by them.

Sending best wishes to everyone out there for living your own lives authentically.
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post #2177 of 2224 Old 09-03-2019, 10:00 AM
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@SueC , thanks for asking. I will read your response to my daughter. She is still struggling, but starting school, enjoying her classes more than last year, liking her teachers more than last year . . . and the amazing kitten we got are all helping.

Aci hasn't been the slightest bit naughty. I put the competent teen on Chorro or Isabeau. I don't know when I will let her ride him again. Thank goodness all the back problems I was struggling with have cleared up so I don't have to put the kids on Aci as often as I was having to.
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@SueC , I bet one strategy you won't use is the one I heard in an excruciating story on National Public Radio this morning:

How discouraging that so many people apparently can't find a book without a random celebrity telling them they should read it?!
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post #2179 of 2224 Old 09-03-2019, 07:52 PM
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One way that I used to find books I might not have chosen was to go to the Large Print section. Usually books are chosen to be made into Large Print if they are enjoyed by lots of people.

The past two summers I have experimented with books I might not have read by participating in a library challenge where we had to read books like "One word title" or "published the year you were born" or "second in a series." It was fun and I tried a bunch of genres I might not have tried. (I also won, which was neat).
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"If it doesn't make you sparkle, don't waste your time." Words to live by there.

With books I tend to be pretty escapist. If it's not a book I'm reading directly to study something I tend to prefer fantasy by authors who are adept world-builders with just enough connection to real-world problems to make them feel "real". As an adult I sometimes think I should move away from this... but in the end time is short and why shouldn't I read the things that make me happy? Ironically, my favorite book I've ever laid hands on so far in my life is Watership Down. Most people I tell this to who know the book always ask me why? They says it's so depressing. But I've never thought of it that way, I adore it. I read it against our high school librarian's advice, she implied it was "too far below my reading level." I always thought that was a horrible way of describing books to young potential readers

On a recent trip, I found a copy of Monty Roberts' autobiography in a used bookstore and picked it up. His story is remarkable but absolutely heart-breaking... I knew that a lot of ideas connected to modern horse-training were connected to him, but I didn't actually know who he was as a person. It is pretty difficult reading about his father's ideas and treatment of horses and people.

Music must tell a story for me (even if the music isn't directly telling a story in itself.) I tend to connect music directly to people, stories, events, even if that isn't what the music is actually about. For example there is a song I think of as "Dreama's Song." I'm sure lots of people do this. Lyrics mean a lot to me, which I thought was the case for all people but my partner is the exact opposite. He could listen to the same song for years and not be able to tell you any of the lyrics. The difference? I sing. He plays strings - guitar, bass, dabbles of other things. Even though I played music in highschool, I tend to be more consumed by the words and the overall "feel" of a song, while he is paying much more attention to the actual composition of a piece. I hadn't thought of it before, but I would imagine a dancer takes in the music differently as well.
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