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post #2511 of 2519 Old 03-18-2020, 10:37 PM Thread Starter
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People at my work are told to stay home if they have a cough. If that clears up, they can come back to work. We've had several so far that have been off and come back already.
This sounds like a sensible policy to me. I read somewhere that if everyone stayed home when they have coughs and sniffles, until they stopped having those, that this would actually vastly reduce the amount of sick leave taken overall, because it would stop many other people from getting ill. It would also mean that people on sick leave would be home with relatively minor symptoms, and be able to nip their illnesses in the bud, and be able to get some things around the house done, as opposed to the current situation where people only take sick leave once they become truly debilitated - and have meanwhile infected a dozen other people because they didn't stay home.


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...I believe this toilet paper hoarding is global.
Monkey see, monkey do?


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I understand people think they might be in quarantine. However, buying enough toilet paper for a year is ridiculous.
Yeah, there's a difference between having a month's worth of supplies in case you have to quarantine, and a year's worth! And yeah, resources need to be shared fairly, and not be bought up by a bunch of opportunists / speculators / profiteers / "me-first" people who don't care one bit about others in their community...

I saw a great piece somewhere about how "love thy neighbour" is a far better response to COVID-19 than hoarding toilet paper.

And a very funny comment from someone on my music forum, "Why do they need all this toilet paper, when their pants are full already!"


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Personally I think the virus is serious, but not as deadly as many diseases. We still haven't been able to test those who are not seriously sick here in the U.S., but of those who are we are getting around a 1.5% mortality rate. I think everyone being hygienic for once will help the flu and other respiratory viruses spread less, which is good.
Yeah, I'm hoping some of the skills being learnt by the public in this pandemic won't be forgotten about for "ordinary" cold and flu. It's funny how people are reckless with the devil they know, versus the devil they don't. But the devil you know is more likely to kill you than the devil you don't, in part because of that attitude.


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It bothers me to see photos of patients in other countries isolated on cots without IVs or oxygen nearby and nothing sitting near them to drink. Either the people are not sick enough to need hospital care, in which case you are only going to create a problem by putting them in this scenario, or else if they really do need fluids and oxygen, they are going to get much more sick and are likely to die. I am not sure how they are organizing things but I am certain here we would have less trained people going around making sure everyone had their head raised up on pillows so they could breathe, kleenex and water next to the patient, curtains and commodes, the basics.
It makes me wonder if fear of contagious illnesses can make things much worse for people who contract them.
Yes, the idea of volunteers caring for the less acutely ill makes a lot of sense, as long as they can be sufficiently protected from contracting the virus themselves.


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They say health care workers are taking this less seriously, but that's mainly because we understand how many diseases spread and it's not magical or anything, just science. Like you're not going to get the virus from eating take out food, and handling your food with gloves is silly.
Yeah, agreed. I was thinking the other day, "Well, I'm almost certainly going to get COVID-19 eventually, just as I got H1N1 eventually (and that wasn't a severe illness for me, although it killed others), and if I am going to get it, I'd prefer to get it either early, so I can be over it early, and hopefully have at least medium-term immunity to it - or to get it late, but not to get it in the thick of it when many people are ill with it."

But I'm not exposing myself on purpose, that's for sure.


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The virus isn't going to spread from a person carrying it into their surroundings unless they wipe their nose or cough into their hand and touch surfaces. So the "silent carrier" is only a factor if the person has a habit of open mouth coughing when not sick or else wiping their body fluids on things around them. Children behave that way.

It's not oozing out of their pores or anything. It is also somewhat difficult to catch droplet viruses from surfaces, which is why normally for things like the flu we only wear masks around patients but not gowns and gloves. My main precaution is to never touch my mucous membranes unless I am in the safety of my own home and have already washed my hands, and I always maintain distance from people who are coughing or sneezing.
I pretty much do what you describe. Something else I've always done is, say I'm in a shopping centre and someone coughs or sneezes near me. I immediately start breathing out slowly through my nose while rapidly walking away from the vicinity of the cough / sneeze (=aerosol).

The last time I had cold, and flu, I caught them off Brett, who is occupationally exposed (usually gets one bug a year), because I continued to sleep in the same room. I did that because prior to the pretty severe illness we had last year (bedridden with debilitating "ordinary" flu for a fortnight; caught a follow-on cold later which turned into bronchitis), cold and flu were generally minor illnesses for me, and I kind of felt like it's actually not a good idea to always avoid getting them, because the immune system needs to continue to be challenged by these things in order to avoid going down hard (is my thinking, what do you think?).

Anyway, since that experience last year, I'm very keen to avoid a repeat, and especially with this new virus. So, I won't be sleeping in the same bed anymore when the next bug comes home.

But you know what has me flummoxed? ...how the heck did I get this sore throat (which is improving), given that I have only been out in a public place with people in it once in the past fortnight? I had it just before Brett had it, so presumably I caught it first, or we both caught it off the same source... which was a grocery shopping together in Albany just over a week ago. Unless this stuff was hanging in the air as an aerosol, without me hearing a sneeze or cough in the vicinity, it probably came off a surface... but I've been vigilant about not touching my face etc while out in public places, until I've washed my hands back home. Do we have to start wiping down door handles and car keys etc? I wouldn't normally bother for mild illnesses like this, but I see this as "one that got through" while I'm rehearsing for avoiding COVID-19...

By the way, I'm not at this stage using hand disinfectants while in public places. I'm just washing properly when I get home...


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Hopefully old people are not too afraid to go out and becoming ill from not eating or not having basic care supplies.
Yeah, it's a difficult one, because healthy eating and exercise are so important for immunity, and also for general health - and it would be ironic to come down with another illness as a result of trying to avoid COVID-19...

Thanks for your thoughts on all this, in advance as well - always valued!

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A lady I talked to in church last Sunday had H1N1. She described it as "the flu on steroids" for her. In the USA, 61 million cases, 274,304 hospitalizations, and 12,469 deaths. I understand this virus is more dangerous, in part perhaps because it really seems to hammer older folks who already have multiple health issues (as does the flu, generally).

I suppose I can understand a 2 week pause, but my oldest daughter may be laid off soon (fixes airline electrical systems) and a lot of people whose jobs don't allow them to build up much savings (waitresses, store clerks, etc) are out of work. Since this virus heavily targets the old, why not put stronger restrictions on us old folks and be careful about destroying the economy? I'm certainly no expert on the spread of infectious diseases but it seems to me it is going to spread anyways.

Maybe the government IS handling things well. I've no qualifications to say otherwise. But if the cities want food, someone has to bring it to them. Someone has to sell it. Cars are still needed for most of us and they cannot be fixed via telephone. Heck, my horses need hay brought in or they will die! I just have a feeling the brilliant doctors of the US CDC may not be as smart as they think they are...smart in their fields, but maybe not so smart about life in general.

And I'm so glad I'm back to life without cable news - ANY OF THEM! 24/7 fanning the flame in search of ratings. I understand cutting back on purely social interactions, using good hygiene, etc. But I feel like too many people have watched too many horror flicks. Maybe I hang around the wrong crowd, but most of the folks I talk to are getting more ****ed at the panic than afraid of the virus.

"if I am going to get it, I'd prefer to get it either early, so I can be over it early, and hopefully have at least medium-term immunity to it...But I'm not exposing myself on purpose, that's for sure."

Yep. 100% agree with you.
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A lady I talked to in church last Sunday had H1N1. She described it as "the flu on steroids" for her. In the USA, 61 million cases, 274,304 hospitalizations, and 12,469 deaths. I understand this virus is more dangerous, in part perhaps because it really seems to hammer older folks who already have multiple health issues (as does the flu, generally).

I suppose I can understand a 2 week pause, but my oldest daughter may be laid off soon (fixes airline electrical systems) and a lot of people whose jobs don't allow them to build up much savings (waitresses, store clerks, etc) are out of work. Since this virus heavily targets the old, why not put stronger restrictions on us old folks and be careful about destroying the economy? I'm certainly no expert on the spread of infectious diseases but it seems to me it is going to spread anyways.

Maybe the government IS handling things well. I've no qualifications to say otherwise. But if the cities want food, someone has to bring it to them. Someone has to sell it. Cars are still needed for most of us and they cannot be fixed via telephone. Heck, my horses need hay brought in or they will die! I just have a feeling the brilliant doctors of the US CDC may not be as smart as they think they are...smart in their fields, but maybe not so smart about life in general.

And I'm so glad I'm back to life without cable news - ANY OF THEM! 24/7 fanning the flame in search of ratings. I understand cutting back on purely social interactions, using good hygiene, etc. But I feel like too many people have watched too many horror flicks. Maybe I hang around the wrong crowd, but most of the folks I talk to are getting more ****ed at the panic than afraid of the virus.

"if I am going to get it, I'd prefer to get it either early, so I can be over it early, and hopefully have at least medium-term immunity to it...But I'm not exposing myself on purpose, that's for sure."

Yep. 100% agree with you.
I agree also.

I hope people who are living paycheck to paycheck have not been putting a year's supply of toilet paper on their credit cards at 22% interest.
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Accidentally deleted the first part of my post.
Was going to say that a sore throat in isolation might also be from a post nasal drop from allergies, even sometimes one you don't notice as much but drains down your throat when you are sleeping at night.
Or acid reflux, which I have often had a sore throat and wondered if I was getting sick, but when it cleared up I realized it was associated with eating extra tomato sauce and spicy food. Acid reflux can even cause a cough or asthma flare up, if the acid refluxes into the lung tissue and irritates it.
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On this topic, we've been having a bit of fun at the music forum, designing terrible merchandise. Remember the Cure toothbrush? Well, now we're putting together a humorous COVID-19 kit. Brett does the graphics wizardry and I the text, post-brainstorm. If there's any snaggles in it protocol-wise that you can see, @gottatrot , please let me know because I have a perpetual edit window there and can fix it up / improve it!

Anyway, laughter is good for our immune systems... so here goes.


Beating Ignorance Is The Cure COVID-19 Kit

Item 1 of 5

Be a caring member of your community. Don't be a selfish swine taking more than your fair share of basic resources. Other people have needs too.



Remember, your IQ is 150 minus the number of rolls of toilet paper at your house.


Item 2 of 5

Wash your hands, people! Soap and water are just as effective as fancy handwashes and sanitisers if you do it properly.



Don't touch your face unless your hands are properly clean. Especially, don't touch your eyes or lips or pick your nose or stick fingers in your mouth or bite your fingernails, unless you have washed your hands thoroughly beforehand (and not re-contaminated yourself from a dirty tap etc). This is hard to do unless we practice lots and are mindful, because we involuntarily do this loads of times otherwise. This is why some people who aren't coughing or sneezing wear surgical masks anyway - not because ordinary surgical masks protect you properly from aerosolised pathogens (they are better at protecting bystanders from bugs you might sneeze out or cough up), but because it helps people stop absent-mindedly touching their mouths and noses.

Tutorials on effective hand-washing are available on YouTube. 20 seconds minimum is generally recommended (not 17 Seconds, I'm sorry to say) - and wash them as if you've just chopped jalapenos and are planning on putting in some contact lenses next.

Find a little song to sing, time where you get to in 20 seconds, and sing that part every time you wash your hands if necessary. For example, the first four lines of Summertime should be sufficient.

Summertime, and the living is easy
Fish are jumping, and the cotton is high
Oh, your daddy's rich, and your mama's good-looking
So, hush, little baby, don't you cry



Item 3 of 5

Watch this space! We know what's coming, but it takes time to do the graphics!

PS: We know this is naughty, but we also did this with affection.
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Accidentally deleted the first part of my post.
Was going to say that a sore throat in isolation might also be from a post nasal drop from allergies, even sometimes one you don't notice as much but drains down your throat when you are sleeping at night.
Yeah, we had that a lot during hayfever season.

This is different. Not hayfever season and the typical "buzzy" / unwell feeling that goes with infections so presumably a mild cold (because we had it before there was any COVID-19 officially anywhere near us, nor community transmission - but that officially started in Western Australia today, and cases are now spiking fast).

The main problem I have with allergic post nasal drip (and also infectious post nasal drip) is that it stops me from sleeping, because it feels like an eel is making its way down my throat. This hasn't happened with this.

Sore throat and buzzy, usually feeling OK in the mornings and worse in the afternoons. Body says, "I would like to lie down now." Along with that a bit of muscle ache and headache and at one point joint pain, but no sneezing, no coughing. Very on-off, so I'm assuming the body is fighting it. I felt OK yesterday afternoon and thought that was it, but it came back this afternoon. Temperature check says 37.5 which is slightly elevated.

Brett is feeling fine. It's just me now.


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Or acid reflux, which I have often had a sore throat and wondered if I was getting sick, but when it cleared up I realized it was associated with eating extra tomato sauce and spicy food. Acid reflux can even cause a cough or asthma flare up, if the acid refluxes into the lung tissue and irritates it.
Yes, I think we've experienced reactions to eating too late or too spicy (and especially both) before too! I get most of my reaction to that at the top of my stomach, rather than in my throat - so maybe mine stays down a bit further and doesn't quite get to the throat.

Thanks for your thoughts!

Gonna eat some chicken soup.
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Sending a big hug to my friend, Sue!

We are thousands of miles apart (which is a good thing right now), but I hold you in my heart.
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Awwwww, @Spanish Rider !

Have a hygienic hug!

I wish I could send you some of our fresh produce. We have way more apples than we can eat and are drowning in kale at present. Cucurbits and beans were minimal this year, but we do have lots of apples and kale just now!

All the best to you and your family in these crazy times...
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I hope people who are living paycheck to paycheck have not been putting a year's supply of toilet paper on their credit cards at 22% interest.


Brett says that maybe their investment will appreciate.

And if not, that at least they will appreciate their investment.
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