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post #91 of 107 Old 11-27-2018, 03:58 PM
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Sorry to hear you haven't been feeling well. It's that time of the year, isn't it? If you don't have a fever/aren't contagious then technically it's safe for you to go to school as you won't infect other students, but I (as a former teacher) believe if you have the means to stay home it is better to rest up for a day than to go to school and run yourself down more. I know what you mean about not wanting to miss any days though, I was the same way!

About the rain rot, I believe horses only get it from contact, so unfortunately even if you manage Pepper really well, she could still potentially pick it up from another horse she's in contact with. It's a pretty common problem though and pretty easy to manage, which is a good thing! First thing I'd do is really wash your grooming equipment, to kill any bacteria that's already there. You can carefully remove the little scabs (moisten with water to help them come off easily) and wash her with an anti-microbial shampoo to kill the organisms on her skin. Since she seems pretty prone to it then yes, she really would be better off in the barn during very rainy or wet weather. Could you possibly see if your friend would be ok with her horse going in during the rain too? Then she wouldn't be alone. Yes, it would be a hassle to have to bring her in/out yourself, but since you're paying for board and the stall, you would think that someone would be able to do that for you.
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Sorry to hear you haven't been feeling well. It's that time of the year, isn't it? If you don't have a fever/aren't contagious then technically it's safe for you to go to school as you won't infect other students, but I (as a former teacher) believe if you have the means to stay home it is better to rest up for a day than to go to school and run yourself down more. I know what you mean about not wanting to miss any days though, I was the same way!

About the rain rot, I believe horses only get it from contact, so unfortunately even if you manage Pepper really well, she could still potentially pick it up from another horse she's in contact with. It's a pretty common problem though and pretty easy to manage, which is a good thing! First thing I'd do is really wash your grooming equipment, to kill any bacteria that's already there. You can carefully remove the little scabs (moisten with water to help them come off easily) and wash her with an anti-microbial shampoo to kill the organisms on her skin. Since she seems pretty prone to it then yes, she really would be better off in the barn during very rainy or wet weather. Could you possibly see if your friend would be ok with her horse going in during the rain too? Then she wouldn't be alone. Yes, it would be a hassle to have to bring her in/out yourself, but since you're paying for board and the stall, you would think that someone would be able to do that for you.
It certainly is! My trainer came home from her trip and has been sick since, and I think the chiro wasn't feeling well either and that's why she rescheduled. Hopefully, her's is nothing serious so that we don't have to reschedule again (and because nobody wants to feel bad!).

I can ask if Comet's owner would be ok with him coming in during the rain. I have no idea how she feels about him being out all the time. The barn helper comes in the afternoons and she's super friendly so I'm pretty sure she'd be ok with bringing her inside if it's supposed to rain that night, but BO might not be as willing to bring her in during the day if it starts raining.
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post #93 of 107 Old 12-02-2018, 04:40 PM Thread Starter
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I ended up being diagnosed with some sort of infection. The doctor said it could have been strep, but I really hate the throat swap things. She said she was going to put me on antibiotics regardless, so I opted out. I went to school the rest of the week, but I wasn't put on antibiotics until Thursday so, hopefully, I didn't infect anyone...

Anyways, enough of that! Onto my journal entry, which, as always, is me ranting :P

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Pepper only gets turned out on grass 2/3 days of the week. If the chiropractor (she rescheduled again) doesn't fix this cantering issue, I did some research and found that ulcers could be causing the issue.

Since I'm not there 24/7 I don't know about some of the other symptoms (lack of appetite, laying down more often, etc). As far as I know, she's still eating fine.

But, I have some reasons why I think this could be the cause.

I read this on an Arizona vet's website: "Continuous pasture access is the best diet for all horses. When this is not an option, then at least 75% of the diet should be roughage, divided into four to six meals/day."

She's getting grass 2/3 days of the week during the day. In the mornings and evenings, she gets a flake of hay. Therefore, the other days after she eats her hay she's just standing there. She gets fed grain twice a day. Now, she's always gotten two meals, but at the old barn she was on grass everytime she went out. At the old-old barn, they were in to get fed grain and then went out to graze. There were multiple large round bales of hay in the pasture. So, this is the first time she's not gotten to graze every day.

Then I also read that medicines can cause ulcers.

This issue really started after she was on bute and antibiotics for her eye accident.

The chiropractor went through vet school (at the school I want to go to!) so I'm hoping that she can at least tell me what she thinks about my 'diagnosis'. I don't expect her to treat it or anything, but she could probably tell me if it's worth getting a general vet out.

However, I did a lot of 'touching' around her belly area and nothing got a reaction out of her. She's not girthy and doesn't move when I tighten it. She does blow out, but she's always done that and once I walk her into the arena I can tighten it with no issues.

I also know that I can usually get her to canter once after some asking, but asking a second time is like I'm killing her. I also read that exercise causes the acid to splash and can irritate the horse, which I think makes sense why she would be more resistant the more we work.

Scoping is quite expensive and I know my mom won't be easily persuaded into spending that much money.

She always complains about how much Pepper costs, but it's not my fault. I got Pepper as a birthday present.

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Let me just write the complaints I have so I can get them all out and stop complaining!

Turnout - I'm not a fan of her not being turned out on grass very often.
Turnout 2 - I don't like them separating horses. However, this seems to be a non-issue now that Comet and Pepper are together
Not supposed to ride by myself - I've just been doing it anyway. If they say something about it again I'll do something about it
Size of the arena - it's hard to work on some things
No trail riding except one small trail around the barn :(
The trainer has a tendency to say things that hurt my feelings (that makes me sound like a baby lol. I may just be overly sensitive)
(Other than that she's a good trainer)

There's probably some other superficial things
So, looking at them, I don't feel like that's very many and some of them aren't that important. Like the trainer, I really like her despite the fact that she just has no filter when she talks. And, I can do most things I want to do in the arena. Sometimes, it's better that it's small because it just eases some anxieties. I can do liberty work without having to be running back and forth.

The only real issues I've come across is we can't do a lot of gymnastics work because there's simply not enough room. And, I'm scared of attempting lead changes across the diagonal because I fell off last time due to having to turn sharply and the saddle slipping. The turns for stuff like that are just too tight.
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post #94 of 107 Old 12-02-2018, 05:11 PM
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A few years back, a Horse Forum member named Elle put this video up on Horse Forum. Since I wondered about two of my horses possibly having ulcers, I palpated them according to the video. One showed moderate symptoms according to the video, and the other one showed a very mild reaction. My other two horses had no reaction at all. I treated the two horses that had some symptoms and then, later, when I palpated them, they showed no symptoms, and still do not to this day. Whenever I trailer a horse, I give it ranitidine ground up with a banana in case they might get ulcers from the trailering.


This technique is simple, costs nothing, and I found it quite helpful. I hope this helps you too.
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A few years back, a Horse Forum member named Elle put this video up on Horse Forum. Since I wondered about two of my horses possibly having ulcers, I palpated them according to the video. One showed moderate symptoms according to the video, and the other one showed a very mild reaction. My other two horses had no reaction at all. I treated the two horses that had some symptoms and then, later, when I palpated them, they showed no symptoms, and still do not to this day. Whenever I trailer a horse, I give it ranitidine ground up with a banana in case they might get ulcers from the trailering.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr05hMmLCY4

This technique is simple, costs nothing, and I found it quite helpful. I hope this helps you too.
Will definitely try this next time I go to the barn! Thank you!!
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post #96 of 107 Old 12-03-2018, 10:30 AM
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It could be ulcers, or it could be that she is just not spending enough time eating. Do some research on slow feeders. I personally do not use them, because if they do not work, they can cause a lot of problems. A horse should be eating about 17 hours a day.
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I couldn't get the video to load at the barn, but I watched it beforehand and just kinda put pressure around her belly and where he showed and she didn't move.

I also rode today which I probably shouldn't have done, but I'm impatiently waiting for the chiropractor. If she doesn't come soon I might just call someone else and schedule it myself... It's also supposed to snow quite a bit this weekend so that will take away a bunch of riding time :(


Anyways, I've decided that I'm just not going to ride until she gets looked at. Because one of two things is happening - 1) I'm hurting her by asking her to do things or 2) I'm 'training' her that if she pins her ears and acts like this she can get out of doing work.

But today I couldn't even get her to trot. It was ridiculous! My trainer and the barn helper said that she's just being stubborn, but I just feel like something's off. I have been riding her for nearly five years at this point, and the only time she's ever just refused to do something was because we were jumping and jumping is just a whole different issue, or because she genuinely didn't understand (like when we try to back up for example). But trust me, she knows exactly what I'm asking her to do. I believe this is called 'napping'.

I don't really know what to do if the chiro doesn't help. I guess we'll need to get the vet out too, but I know my mom will be irritated about the cost. I said this above and I feel like it sounded really bratty, but my mom makes me feel guilty about how much my horse costs... but she's the one who chose to get her for me. But trust me, getting Pepper is one of the best things to have ever happened to me. Without her, I don't think I would ever really leave the house except for school. I love her and I'm unbelievably grateful for her.

So, now I feel like I need to get a job to pay for her... but I don't really have time. I have more free-time than most probably, but it's scattered. Plus, next semester it will change. Monday, Wednesday, Friday I have one class from about 10-11:30. Wednesdays and Fridays I have a theatre club meeting at 3:30. So, I guess I could work from 12-3 those days... Tuesday and Thursday I have another class from 2-3:30 along with the 10-11:30 class.

Oh, the play I was doing got canceled because people didn't show up for practice. We had like eight people that actually consistently came to rehearsal, but we were doing "It's a Wonderful Life" which requires more than eight people. We started with like 20, and people just kept dropping because they didn't realize how much commitment it was.

But, when January comes I'll have class from 10-3:30. So, I can ride after school. I could work at like 5, but then I wouldn't have much time to do my homework. And in late January/early February, musical rehearsals start. Which are until about 6, so no riding on the days I have rehearsal, meaning I would want to ride on the other days.

I mean, if I had to, I could make it work. But, it would just be a lot for me to do.

Anyways, I wasn't in the mood to do a lot of work anyways, so we basically walked around the arena for 30 minutes :P It's days like today though that I really wish we had nice trails.
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Yes, you know your horse, and what is best for her. Your trainer is just there to help.

Probably one of the best things you can do right now is to get a job. Just as the people in the play kept dropping out shows, being self sufficient and motivated is what moves you along in life. They are going to miss out on a great opportunity because they are not motivated. When I was a kid I worked as a maid, in summer at local motel, and during school I could rustle up working in somebody's home. The work was hard and boring, but it was a real lesson in business. Just keep looking around and asking, something will come up.
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Yes, you know your horse, and what is best for her. Your trainer is just there to help.

Probably one of the best things you can do right now is to get a job. Just as the people in the play kept dropping out shows, being self sufficient and motivated is what moves you along in life. They are going to miss out on a great opportunity because they are not motivated. When I was a kid I worked as a maid, in summer at local motel, and during school I could rustle up working in somebody's home. The work was hard and boring, but it was a real lesson in business. Just keep looking around and asking, something will come up.
I've been loosely looking. I've just had a hard time finding places with the right hours.

I worked for about a year at a frozen yogurt shop, but I was working alone until late hours so that's why I quit that job. My dad wasn't comfortable with me being there until 10/11 at night alone.

I also worked about a month ago for a few weeks at my aunt's restaurant (well, it's not her restaurant but the one she works at), and I would continue doing that, but they close at 3 so I couldn't do that next semester. It's a small, hole-in-the wall type of restaurant, but I like it! I did not like working there very much, but I worked at the busiest possible time (that's why they needed me in the first place).

There's a local pizza restaurant I think I might apply at. I know some people working there, and it's a buffet so there's not as many chances for me to drop food :P I'm very clumsy, and I'm worried about working at a sit-down restaurant, 'cause I'd end up spilling drinks all over people and dropping food!



I also looked at the slow feeders you mentioned. I'm not sure how I feel about that. I'm afraid Pepper would get frustrated that she couldn't just grab the hay and eat it easily and she'd just stop eating altogether. I'll see what the chiro says when she comes (and the vet if we need to bring him out). Since she hasn't been acting weird besides not wanting to move undersaddle, I'm thinking/hoping there's just something out of alignment which the chiro can fix. She went straight to her hay in the stall when I finished today and started happily munching away! Or, it could be a behavioral problem. Maybe she's just starting to calm down and become less arabian-like since I have an actual trainer who knows what she's doing, and I took her not being hyper as something I should worry about, and I've just slowly taught her that she can get away with this stuff.
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I haven't posted in a while because I've literally been to the barn three times since I last posted.

It snowed and the snow just stayed for a week. We missed four days of school. Even once it was safe to go back to school, the arena was absolutely terrible and it was so muddy that there wasn't really any point in going to the barn. Once the snow finally started to melt... it rained. And rained. And rained some more.

There were a few days of some nicer weather where I was able to ride (last Wednesday). I hoped that having such a long break (it was 13 days) would 'heal' her but it did nothing. I mean, I hadn't ridden her for two weeks, and I had such a hard time getting her to trot. I was prepared to have to work to hold her back from all the energy she had, but she wouldn't move. And who knows when the chiropractor's going to come. Apparently, she won't work in the rain??? The barn is indoors... the horses can stay up so they're not wet... there's no reason she can't come in the rain. She never outright said she wouldn't work in the rain, but she's canceled twice because it was raining.

I was supposed to have a lesson this past Sunday but I didn't go for two reasons - 1) we were having my grandma's birthday lunch and since church ran late beforehand, I would have to be leaving early. And I didn't want to leave her birthday lunch early. and 2) I really don't feel comfortable working Pepper as much as she would work us until I have her looked at.

I would've gone yesterday but it was Christmas Eve and BO's house is so close to the barn and they often have get-togethers which includes them going into the barn and sometimes riding and I'm really not comfortable trying to ride and groom with all them there... I'm sure they're fine people, but I just don't like people sometimes. Also, BO's grandson literally runs around the barn and while I really don't think Pepper would kick, I can't know for sure. Especially if a little kid goes running behind her. Any little kids she's been around have been properly told that Pepper isn't the sanest horse (she'd spook sometimes when kids started running or screaming) and to be extra careful around her. I feel this should be common sense for any horse.

And the same went to for today, plus it's Christmas day and I don't want to bother them on Christmas.

I may go tomorrow if it doesn't rain.

The forecast for the next two weeks is absolutely awful. Tomorrow is supposed to be sunny. But after that? Two days of rain, a partly cloudy day, three more days of rain, a cloudy day, and then snow??? So, only three non-precipitation days and two of them come after two or more days of straight rain. And I really hope it doesn't snow in two weeks.

Anyways, I just figured I'd give a little update. About the weather since nothing else has happened :icon_eyeroll:
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