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post #3441 of 3487 Old 05-04-2020, 07:45 PM
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-Why can't we make individual decisions about everything, without having to feel that beliefs are grouped together in enormous clumps and that people are defined by those clumps of beliefs?
-Many people I meet would like to have everything pre-sorted, as if they are afraid if they think for themselves they might get off track.
-I like debates because I consider that I might change my mind. This is something I believe is healthy, a willingness to change your mind when better information comes to your attention.
-most people do not trust those who disagree with them, and have a strong bias that those who believe other than they do may not be good people.

-I'm not sure why it needs to be all or nothing
Moderation is apparently anathema in our society now, as is thinking for oneself.

I often find myself remembering my Great Aunt Grace, who used to joke that you knew you were old when you looked around you and thought the world was going to h#ll. Guess I am old, as I see many scary trends in society today that only seem to be worsening.

Is it laziness that leads to individuals becoming sheeple? Desire to belong? Fear of standing out?
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Let me give two examples that have/will affect me this week:

1 - At an unnamed Air Force base, it seems the base commander has decided those who go outside MUST wear a mask. Inside an enclosed area with hundreds of others? No mask. Outside, no one within a quarter-mile, with the sun shining and a 20 mph wind? Mandatory masks. Unless you are jogging, so I guess the coronavirus can't keep up with a jogger.

2 - When I fly later this week, I've been told the airline will require me to wear a mask. Enclosed area. Prolonged exposure. Excellent ventilation once airborne, but not so good before that. Hmmmm....masks sound at least plausible, so I've got no trouble with them. Would probably wear one on my own, even if not required.

But walking across an open field? I love the military, but no one does stupid like the military can!

If someone wants me to change my behavior to reduce a risk, they don't need overwhelming proof the new behavior will help. But they do have an obligation to at least propose a reasonable mechanism by which the restriction MAY help! Unless, bless them, they are a military commander....

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Well, SOME folks exceed the military for stupidity:

"Joe Samaan was working his shift at an S J Food Mart outside Lexington, Kentucky, when a woman came in asking to pay for gas.

But unlike the hundreds of other customers Joe sees on a daily basis, the hole in this woman's protective facewear, which left her mouth and nose exposed, caught his eye.
"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-breathe.html

And some people wonder why I like horses and dogs more than many people...

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That was funny @bsms .

I completely agree with you Gotta! I realize how much a certain viewpoint can make me look or sound, and yet I don’t associate any with a specific political stance. I’d like to think for myself!

I have noticed that political association can create a refusal to listen. For example, I have an aunt who is a very opinionated woman. Her opinions follow the trends of her society. Anyways, she began a conversation about mustangs. She is a city woman who couldn’t be any further from the actual horses or land. I tried to explain my thoughts on mustangs in response to her statement, and she was so mean! In that fashion she completely disregarded my actual experiences in favor of an idea that was popular.

Her thoughts on her environmental stance lacked so much substance that it could be laughable if it wasn’t backed by such animosity.

It is much better in my opinion to be open minded to those around us. Facts should be more relevant than political leanings.
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And some people wonder why I like horses and dogs more than many people...
Very funny (and very exasperating) stuff, @bsms ! And yeah, about that, maybe you and Brett could start an online misanthropy forum. You'd both have a lot of things you could write entertainingly about. I'm sure quite a few of us would come do guest posts on a regular basis!



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That was funny @bsms .

I completely agree with you Gotta! I realize how much a certain viewpoint can make me look or sound, and yet I don’t associate any with a specific political stance. I’d like to think for myself!
I think one of the reasons for that is that you guys and I too live in countries where politics is a mostly binary affair between two major political parties, both of which will send the world to hell in a handbasket if we elect them - with different flavour ice creams en route to hell. I don't like any of the major parties particularly, so if I voice political views, I'm sure to draw chagrin from "both" sides. I've got a feeling that countries that do proportional representation rather than winner-take-all like in Australia are better served by their political systems, but maybe living in a country with proportional representation would disabuse me of that notion too...

Completely agree with the concept of making up our own minds on various issues regardless of politics and sides.

I'm sad to say it, and I do vote, but I don't think it actually makes much difference, because it's the devil versus the deep blue sea mostly. Maybe we should all go back to living in caves going "Urgh!" (and maybe we eventually will )...

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PS: An interesting article I've just read which ties in with many people's hunch that COVID-19 was around before the first "official" cases in our countries:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ember-retested

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A French hospital that retested old samples from pneumonia patients has discovered that it treated a man with the coronavirus as early as 27 December, nearly a month before the French government confirmed its first cases.

Dr Yves Cohen, head of resuscitation at the Avicenne and Jean Verdier hospitals in the northern suburbs of Paris, told BFM TV that scientists had retested samples from 24 patients treated in December and January who tested negative for flu.

“Of the 24, we had one who was positive for Covid-19 on 27 December,” he told the news channel on Sunday.

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Great responses. That mask with the hole was hilarious. About the jogging and no mask, I saw a photo online with a sign for a park where biking was not allowed but walking was OK. Speed in this case must mean you hit more of those floating viruses depicted in @SueC 's poster. Interesting about the French case in Dec.

Over the past couple of days fear of hospitals seems to have gone down here. Suddenly the psych patients have started coming to the ER. Also pediatrics showing up with bad ear infections. The visits have tripled. Now the kidney stones, gallbladders and pancreatitis cases are showing up. The nursing homes are finally sending people in with sepsis, and pressure ulcers since they have shut them in rooms where they sit all day in wheelchairs. No walking or rolling down halls.

Congestive heart failure patients that were not managing well finally can't breathe and are coming in with 40 lbs of extra water wt that will take a week in the hospital to get rid of.
We suspected this might happen, and since surgeries are starting the hospitals will be filling up.
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It's so sad about the nursing homes. I didn't mention this before but sadly during all of this our 84-year-old friend Bill, who was living independently and doing fine even post heart-attack (with visiting nurses), got put first into hospital against his will by his relatives (I was able to have one visit to him there), and then into a care home, which I think is such a tragedy for him, but apparently everyone else now gets to make his decisions for him because they know so much better. Not just that I think that a care home is actually a more dangerous place for him to be during a pandemic than living on his own, but also that it's robbed him of so much of his always fiercely independent life - and during COVID-19, care homes essentially become detention centres where friends and relatives can't visit. I can't even get in touch with him as his cell phone has been disconnected... but we know where he is, so if they start allowing visits again as they're mooted to right now, I might actually be able to go see him...

I'm going to balance that unpalatable news with a brand-new fun cartoon drawn by our Aussie cartoonist "First Dog On The Moon":



from https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...d-you-discover

...and there was also something hilarious I had to relate elsewhere after browsing the Guardian, that might give some of you a laugh:

Insane Entertainment Especially For Cure Fans - Page 2

I've linked to a particular post, but if anyone's got lockdown blues or just wants a laugh, it's where I've been collecting and posting all sorts of humour I come across, including from your good selves.

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Oh no @SueC ! That is terrible. I am sorry.
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Poor Bill.

@Knave , I've had similar discussions with people about mustangs. Very unrealistic. What I can't understand is the contradiction of those who think culling or contraception is too cruel, but don't mind if the animals starve or suffer as long as they are on the range. Or with our opossums, wanting to save all the animals and preserve wildlife, unless of course they are non-native in which case it's fine to let them suffer or euthanize young animals.

I saw that Nala's rider had been out several days ago with another rider, so I am thinking about asking her if she would be comfortable with going out for a ride soon. Riding alone is still fun, but I'm feeling ready for a trail ride.

Went for a half hour ride on Hero yesterday. I try not to ride for too long when we're not on a trail ride with another horse, because I don't want Hero to think riding is drudgery. Very slowly I have been changing his thinking about riding toward more positive. We were in an empty field with Amore grazing in the next field over, so both felt they had company. Amore has been the one getting upset lately if I go too far away with Hero. It is strange, she was not prone to doing that when turned out with other mares.

Maybe in the beginning I did too much with Hero, not understanding how sore he was. My interpretation was that he was not an athletic, go-getter type. Unless he was upset, he seemed to have more whoa than go. Going out on longer rides in the sand probably did not help his overall bias that riding was not that fun, but it was balanced a bit by wanting to go out with Nala.

Having Nala gone has actually helped force me to work on creating positive rides with Hero, and a lot of things have started coming together. Shorter exercise sessions have helped him not be sore, and he seems to be getting more forward and responsive for me. I think the amino acid supplements have helped him also - his muscle distribution looks smooth now with no tense areas like over his croup.

Now I believe finally that I am seeing his baseline personality, and we've reached the point where I understand more about what is going on and what his reactions are. With all the kicking and bucking from his stifle issues, it was difficult to know what was frustration, temper, insecurity, etc. Also it is not a secure feeling when you don't know if a horse is ramping up or losing it, panicking or just acting up.

Now I understand that Hero is willing, and does like to exercise when he knows it won't be uncomfortable. He's even fine with going around in circles for a while, around the perimeter of a field, and if he seems unwilling to go forward it is because something is making him fearful or spooky. It took me a while to understand that since his fear reactions are different from other horses. He is a somewhat spooky horse. Not as spooky as Amore ever was, but not as bold as Halla. But I've been learning that what I've sometimes thought were him not wanting to do something are actually just spooks.

For example, on our ride yesterday I saw that he was eyeing a corner of the field where the stream was going by making noises and it was dark and wooded, and there was an obviously well-traveled elk track through it. So I was thinking he might spook around that area, and sure enough, when we passed by it he was staring and then a car went by on the highway above us. Hero hopped a little and the next time by there was a sound again and he popped up, reared and spun. Knowing this was spooking, I got his attention back onto me, and the next couple of times around I talked continuously in a soothing tone and praised him for trotting through without spooking. In the past I was somewhat leery of what spinning or rearing was going to lead to.

Especially now that I've spent so much time observing Hero on the lunge, I know that when he does this kind of spook it is self-limiting. Also it is natural when horses rear or buck to feel insecure and wonder if it is going to knock you off. A while back I had to get logical and tell myself that this horse has been doing shenanigans very often and only unseated me once or twice. For some reason, even if things don't look or feel wonderful, they are very rideable, and so they don't need to be very concerning. This is the style of spook this horse does. That makes me just go ahead and ride through it, and then we go on.

I know that he would probably not have spooked at all, if I had lunged some of the energy out of him before riding. It was sort of an experiment, since I had not had the horses out in three days and I was curious to see if Hero was improving with managing his energy without having to get the excess "packing peanuts" taken off. Other than a couple of spooks, Hero walked out, went wherever I asked, picked up the trot and canter, and stayed balanced. These are very good improvements for him. I'm having a lot of confidence, thinking if I want to trailer him out for rides he will do well, since I've been keeping him in shape and we've been getting to trust each other and be a better team.
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