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post #1 of 6 Old 06-13-2019, 03:01 AM Thread Starter
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unknown sire & dam/ how to paper

I purchased my mini ten years ago. I would like to register him, but I don't know his sire or dam. I don't have the previous owners information. My mini is a 34 inch paint gelding, and he is 14 years old. I joined the forum hoping for answers. Any information would be appreciated.
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post #2 of 6 Old 06-13-2019, 06:50 AM
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Sadly, I think you already know the answer to your question.
To register any mini you must know the name of sire and dam...
To my knowledge there are no exceptions to that.
http://www.amha.org/docs/default-sou...ister-2010.pdf
I'm not even sure there is a "color" registry available for minis, that if you meet a color pattern you get papers for color not breeding or bloodline.
You've owned for 10 years and now you want to register the animal...
I would of been trying to do this ASAP after purchasing not trying to beat a dead trail of information hoping to uncover.
Papers don't mean much unless you intend to breed...being a gelding that is a no.
Papers aren't needed either to enter most shows...unless you are doing AMHA sanction.
Papers if you have them might increase sale value if the mini has a past record of their own for shows, otherwise..again probably not enough to go crazy trying to get.
I offer you good luck in finding some answers but since you don't seem to know any details {keep those personal details private please} your job of uncovering is that much harder.

I've looked and looked and can't find a mini color registry that is not bloodline dependent but coat color...nothing.

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post #3 of 6 Old 06-17-2019, 11:28 AM
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You can look into AMHR, at one time they would register on size alone but I do not know if they've changed that rule.

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post #4 of 6 Old 06-17-2019, 11:29 AM
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Might help in your search if I told you what AMHR stood for...American Miniature Horse Registry.

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post #5 of 6 Old 01-11-2020, 07:06 PM
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I'm not sure if you're still looking for answers, but if you were not able to register him with AMHR/AMHA and are still looking to register him in another association there is the option of PtHA speaking he's a paint/pinto as long as he meets their color requirements.

"A*PtHA Color Registry Horse must have four square inches of cumulative white in the qualifying zone and underlying pink skin. May be registered with an approved outcross breed or be of undocumented parentage.

The color requirement is modified with the size of the horse requiring only three square inches for ponies and two square inches for miniatures."

This probably isn't the answer you were looking for, but it is a viable alternative. Not sure how much PtHA papers make a difference but he's likely to be able to receive them.

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post #6 of 6 Old 01-11-2020, 08:01 PM
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The Pinto Horse Association of America will take him! They can and do register Mini's, even those without documented parents.

https://www.ptha.net/index.php/en/as...er-your-equine


Although I, like many others, echo the sentiment that I'm not sure what the "point" of registering him given that he is a gelding.

Do you want proof of ownership? I know that I sometimes see people wanting to register their grade horses purely for that purpose.

Do you want to make him more "valuable"? You can't ride papers, but the public can be picky and if there ever comes a time where you have to sell him, having him registered could give him an "edge" over the many, many, many unregistered Mini's available.

Do you want an avenue into showing? Fair enough, all breed shows and local events can be fun, but sometimes a horse-owner just wants a bigger audience to showcase their partner to.
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