Horrible Horsemanship in Movies? - Page 3 - The Horse Forum
 199Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #21 of 53 Old 05-13-2017, 01:38 PM
Weanling
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Idaho
Posts: 338
• Horses: 1
Since most of the bad horsemanship in movies has already been mentioned, I just wanted to add something that always drives me crazy!

It's a really common theme in horse movies or tv shows. A protagonist that's never been around horses or ridden before suddenly calms this wild horse and expertly rides it away into the sunset. They make it seem like riding horse is so easy and that you don't need any experience to become a good rider. And then the people watching it suddenly think they know all about horses Whenever we watch a movie that has horses in it, I almost always have to drop a few comments about the incorrectness of the movie to my family

I can think of one specific example: Heartland. I used to watch the show all the time before I was able to get my own horse (and still do on occasion for old times sake). I think many of the actors do know how to ride since they have their own horses, but there are so many instances where a horse and rider have a problem until it climaxes and the rider's about the give up, so they stop the horse, tell it a few words, and magically the horse transforms and they don't have another problem. You can literally see the horse going from scared or angry until the rider whispers in its ear how much they need it, and then the ears perk up, eyes go soft, they almost always throw in a horse noise of some sort...I bet there was someone holding treats behind the camera haha. I know words can be calming to horses and the rider relaxing helps too, but I think you all know what I mean. There's such a dramatic change from the horse before and after the rider telling it, "I'm sorry, I need your help, Will you forgive me," etc.

And I've never found a horse to be as vocal as the ones in movies and TV shows. Nickering, snorting, neighing...constantly. I don't think I can remember a time where a horse didn't rear or spook without letting loose a loud whinny on screen.

Ha, I found the perfect example. Just watch the first minute of the clip from Heartland below:

Heartland is probably still my favorite horse show. I think it's very well done for the most part and was actually what inspired me to do liberty in the first place. I also like that they show that there are struggles in horsemanship sometimes. Aside from a few cheesy moments, I think it's an excellent show to watch! I just want to make sure it didn't sound like I disliked it, because that's not true at all!

So yeah, that was my mini rant. I had to let it all out!

"Do you give the horse its strength or clothe its neck with a flowing mane?" ~Job 39:19
RedDunPaint is offline  
post #22 of 53 Old 05-13-2017, 03:00 PM
Showing
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: southern Arizona
Posts: 11,664
• Horses: 4
"As he has on most of his movies, Mr. Douglas insisted on performing his own stunts...''I've always tried to do my own stunts,'' Mr. Douglas said. ''When I did 'The War Wagon' with John Wayne, I played a showoff who always made a fancy mount to get on his horse, jumping over one horse on to another. I figured I could do that, so I got a small trampoline to give me the altitude to make the jump. A reporter came on the set and said to John Wayne, 'I understand Kirk Douglas is doing every fancy mount himself.' And Wayne said, 'That Douglas, he can't even get on a horse without a trampoline!'"

KIRK DOUGLAS TURNING TO TV WORK - NYTimes.com

I need to get someone to bring a trampoline along when I ride Bandit in the desert. At 59, I could REALLY use some help!

Riders ask "How?" Horsemen ask "Why?"
bsms is online now  
post #23 of 53 Old 05-13-2017, 03:09 PM
Showing
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: southern Arizona
Posts: 11,664
• Horses: 4
Check out the story starting at 1:45...


Riders ask "How?" Horsemen ask "Why?"
bsms is online now  
post #24 of 53 Old 05-13-2017, 07:00 PM Thread Starter
Started
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: NW Connecticut
Posts: 2,293
• Horses: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by RedDunPaint View Post
I can think of one specific example: Heartland.
Oh yah, the relationship building in that show is something else! You have a totally effed-up neurotic character who chases around a totally effed-up neurotic horse in the round pen screaming like a banshee, and suddenly the character collapses in a cathartic heap of pitiful, and the horse comes over, saying, "Oh yeah, now I can see that you're the calm and confident leader who will keep me safe. I'll join up now!" And then you wonder why broken people get horses hoping they'll get some free therapy from them.

I think I like those examples the best where the bad horsemanship is written into the script, because that's a much bigger oversight than starring an actor with less-than-perfect riding skills.
mmshiro is online now  
post #25 of 53 Old 05-13-2017, 07:16 PM
Weanling
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: NT, Darwin
Posts: 535
• Horses: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by cbar View Post

The Horse Whisperer drives me crazy. They have so many horses playing Pilgrim...in the video she is watching the horse is not even close to being the same horse.
Quick fun fact here, Apparently, the 'hollyowood trained' horse that was suppose to play Pilgram for the whole movie, couldn't do some of the cues they needed, and Buck Brannaman said they could use his horse instead! It's his horse in the scene where she goes up to him in the stall and he shakes his head/paws and then goes over to her.

I love the movie, but agree, they make it to obvious!
seabiscuit91 is offline  
post #26 of 53 Old 05-14-2017, 08:49 AM
Foal
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: missouri
Posts: 123
• Horses: 0
When I watch horse scenes, I tend to look at the positive things. I see some actors who make nice mounts and dismounts. If you watch the horses, you can often spot how the horse is paying attention to the off screen trainer for cues. Especially scenes where the horse is at liberty like when they dismount and the horse "wanders" somewhere. I am always amazed how the horses always interact well with each other and movie horses never have issues with flies and they never poop or urinate.

The shows that tick me off are the police shows where the law enforcement dudes constantly violate the law in their pursuit of the bad guys. In just about every episode of "Elementary" and "Hawaii 50" the "good guys" do stuff that deserves serious jail time.
KLJcowgirl and wendyxies like this.
ducky1234 is offline  
post #27 of 53 Old 05-14-2017, 09:16 AM
Foal
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: missouri
Posts: 123
• Horses: 0
I do have a horse related beef with "The Price and I". When the prince has Julia Stiles jump on back of his English saddle and they gallop across the cobblestones of Copenhagen, I can't imagine putting my beloved in such risk.
EightAndAce likes this.
ducky1234 is offline  
post #28 of 53 Old 05-14-2017, 10:42 AM
Weanling
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Brittany, FR
Posts: 726
• Horses: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by Horsef View Post
It wasn't bad horsemanship, but totally unrealistic. A tv show, can't remember the name. The plot was that there was a top racing horse which needed to be escorted in transit because some people wanted to kidnap it. One of the guys in the escort was portrayed as a tech nerd who's never seen a horse up close. Eventually, the nerd saves this fire breathing dragon-horse by mounting bareback inside the trailer and galloping away along the highway, into the woods, jumping over tall fences... still bareback.

After all was said and done, the owner offered the nerd lessons. Yeah, lady, that guy needs no lessons.

Also, who transports a horse with a bridle?
We had one horse transported to us with a bridle on - he was too difficult to control/lead otherwise apparently.
JoBlueQuarter likes this.
Fimargue is offline  
post #29 of 53 Old 05-14-2017, 01:54 PM
Trained
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Western Massachusetts
Posts: 5,659
• Horses: 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by ducky1234 View Post
When I watch horse scenes, I tend to look at the positive things. I see some actors who make nice mounts and dismounts. If you watch the horses, you can often spot how the horse is paying attention to the off screen trainer for cues. Especially scenes where the horse is at liberty like when they dismount and the horse "wanders" somewhere. I am always amazed how the horses always interact well with each other and movie horses never have issues with flies and they never poop or urinate.

The shows that tick me off are the police shows where the law enforcement dudes constantly violate the law in their pursuit of the bad guys. In just about every episode of "Elementary" and "Hawaii 50" the "good guys" do stuff that deserves serious jail time.
So cops and lawyers have a hard time with crime shows, equestrians can't watch horse movies, I can tell you it's the same for dog movies -- the dogs don't look at their long lost beloved masters but beyond them at their actual beloved masters out of the frame, bark happily on command instead of showing aggression which is of course impossible to train, and so forth. My sister who is an American Sign Language translator, told me that movies involving deaf people (such as Children Of A Lesser God) are infuriating . . . and so it goes.

As a Lord of the Rings side note, the extended version DVD album has a very good documentary short just on the horses. It's fascinating.

Short horse lover
Avna is offline  
post #30 of 53 Old 05-14-2017, 03:52 PM
Started
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Alberta, Canada, North America, The World!
Posts: 1,949
• Horses: 4
There isn't really "one". All of these modern horse-involving movies have at least one spot that makes me cringe!

Hold on to what makes you happy! If it tries to buck you off, just hold on even tighter!
JoBlueQuarter is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.



User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Old Thread Warning
This thread is more than 90 days old. When a thread is this old, it is often better to start a new thread rather than post to it. However, If you feel you have something of value to add to this particular thread, you can do so by checking the box below before submitting your post.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Those Horrible Horse Movies horseluvr2524 Horse Talk 45 03-31-2016 10:31 AM
Best Friend + Horrible Horsemanship = HELP!!! 888vegas888 Natural Horsemanship 20 12-19-2010 07:44 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome