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post #11 of 33 Old 11-17-2014, 08:26 AM
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With my own horses I've never had to hit them, perhaps because I am consistent in my expectations of them. I generally keep a dressage whip handy, and if one begins to step into my space, a touch to the kneecap of the more forward leg backs them up. We often used the point of the shoulder to teach a horse to back until I watched how a horse backs away from the bot fly. Aha, the tip of the whip mimics the fly. Horse lowers it's head and steps back nicely. My horses don't get the chance to nibble on my jacket as the 4' whip has already backed the horse out of my space before it can happen.

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post #12 of 33 Old 11-17-2014, 01:03 PM
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It's also important to consider how sensitive the horse is to reprimands. A "hard" look with squared shoulders and a purposeful step can send my young gelding flying backwards in a half panic if he knows he's in trouble (although sometimes I do think he's a little over dramatic about it). On the other hand, there is a horse boarded with us who has terrible ground manners and he doesn't hardly care if you get after him. I can flail my arms in his face, yell at him, yank on his lead and smack him in the shoulder with the rope... and he might back up a step or two before going right back to trying to run me over and/or drag me around when we resume leading.
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post #13 of 33 Old 11-17-2014, 01:20 PM
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I hear a lot of people say they had to have a Come To Jesus Meeting with a horse. How far have you gone with that kind of meeting? And are you judged for it?

I was talking to someone in the aisle and had smacked my horse in the face with the back of my hand for nibbling on my coat pocket. A definite smack. It didn't hurt his feelings and he licked and chewed after that lol but someone was with me (she has two horses out at same boarding facility) and I'm pretty sure she thinks I abuse my horse now. That got me wondering about CTJ moments. My gelding had stepped on the side of my foot once in the first few months of my new ownership and I had a crop in my hands and smacked his offending leg a couple times and backed him up so fast I think I shocked him. This lady makes me feel like I am a mean owner...wait am I mean owner?
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Why should what this lady thinks matter to you? How do her horses behave? How does she handle misbehavior?
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post #14 of 33 Old 11-17-2014, 01:21 PM
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^I agree with this.

What you're doing is clearly working--based on what you've said, you certainly don't sound abusive. It isn't any of this woman's business (:

The sensitivity of the internet baffles me.
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post #15 of 33 Old 11-17-2014, 01:31 PM Thread Starter
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I see so many people nag their horse, I don't want to do that. I just expect more from my gelding, I know how smart he is. I have the 'wrong answer buzzer noise' and the 'Stop What You're Doing' eyes in my arsenal too...
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post #16 of 33 Old 11-17-2014, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by peppersonlygirl View Post
I see so many people nag their horse, I don't want to do that. I just expect more from my gelding, I know how smart he is. I have the 'wrong answer buzzer noise' and the 'Stop What You're Doing' eyes in my arsenal too...
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I hate being nagged or picked at. I would much rather someone get after me, correct me once HARD so I remember it, than to pick pick pick. That's how I treat my horses. I don't say, "no well maybe no no well maybe", I'm very clear ans say, "NO" and enforce it firmly. I try to be all about firm, fair and consistent.

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post #17 of 33 Old 11-17-2014, 02:07 PM
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The mark of any truly good trainer, handler, or rider is knowing how to temper the good with the bad, knowing when and to what degree a correction should be, and knowing how to set a horse up for success rather than failure and by doing so are able to train through positive reinforcement.

My horse has always responded better to positive reinforcement, but also responds well to a humbling CTJ when needed. Through liberty training (and getting away from the people who were always telling me what to do.... I'm sure you all know what that is like) I've learned more in the past 6 months than I have in the past 5 years of horse ownership. We are nearly ready to go back to jumping lessons, and I can't wait to surprise my trainer who hasn't seen me in almost a year. I'm confident he will see a completely different pair than before.

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post #18 of 33 Old 11-17-2014, 04:57 PM
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I don't think a nibble is a true come to Jesus meeting. I would have shoed them out of my space, probably not a hard abrupt smack unless they really ask for it. But honestly it sounds like you are a bit insecure about it. Don't worry about what other people think if you know what you did is right. They are big animals and as horse owners will understand. Unless she actually said something to you I wouldn't worry about it. My motto is don't do anything to your horse you will regret, you should be confident in what you do and need to be a clear leader to your horse. Horses appreciate consistency and fair corrections.
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post #19 of 33 Old 11-17-2014, 06:45 PM
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Sorry... couldn't help myself!
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post #20 of 33 Old 11-18-2014, 08:41 AM Thread Starter
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It wasn't a CTJ moment, it wasn't a very hard smack either, almost like how someone would pat their horse on the neck for being good except with the back of my hand by the nose once. It was really more of an immediate reaction on my part. It was just the part where I didn't think it was bad, but the lady seemed upset about it but made me think of real moments someone would have to get after their horse and I wondered how far other people decided to go in different situations.

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