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post #31 of 33 Old 11-18-2014, 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by peppersonlygirl View Post
I hear a lot of people say they had to have a Come To Jesus Meeting with a horse. How far have you gone with that kind of meeting? And are you judged for it?
The biggest one I have ever had with someone else's horse was a horse who kicked me while I was walking past him in the field. I went around the front of him, and next thing I knew he spun around and double barreled at my chest. It was unprovoked and I got up off the ground madder than hell (thankfully I'd dodged the majority of the hit). I actually fought with that horse and during which he tried to run and I delivered two solid kicks to his butt and torso, the horse was so shocked he slipped in a mud puddle, fell over and scrambled off. Several people witnessed this and I never felt bad for it. He wanted to kick me and treat me like a horse so I gave him the horse 'punishment' right back. After that once we'd both calmed down I went over, petted him on the neck/head and have never since had him threaten me in any way.

With mine the biggest fight I've ever gotten into involved screeching, but that's usually because I've nipped bad behaviors in the butt and haven't had my horses challenge my leadership. They respect the fact that I will do what's for their best interest and I respect the fact that we'll have little squabbles here and there, but I'll make sure the punishment fits the crime. I won't over punish an animal, but I also won't under punish. I never aim to leave a physical mark, but just a mental one that says 'leave her alone!'.

I've never felt bad about any big CTJ meeting because I might be a muscular woman of 5"9 at 200# but I will never be able to take a beating from a 900+# animal and survive. Horses can deal out a lot more pain than I can in my five minuet CTJ meeting, I always tell people that for me to seriously injure a horse I would need a weapon and intent. For me to leave an impression I just need what biology gave me.

My gelding stepped on my foot and I flailed around and hustled him off with a couple of smacks but that was mainly because of pain!

I honestly believe that for me to have a CTJ meeting the horse has to know better, AND have intent behind the action. For instance, my colt when I first got him was unhandled. Because of this he didn't know how to react to certain circumstances with people. One was grooming. When he was being groomed he tried to groom me. Of course I gave a couple of small smacks to establish a boundary but I never called that a CTJ meeting. He didn't know any better, meant no harm, and was learning. Now a horse that turns around to bite me and knows what's what will be taken down a few steps. I bite back and my fellow boarders can tell you that.

It's so hard to describe fair CTJ meetings and unfair. To me nothing you said makes me think abuse or mistreatment, just the fact that you have established boundaries and are making them clear.

Anyone who disagrees with a good CTJ meeting needs to watch a herd of horses for a month or so. Seriously, best education I ever had was that.
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post #32 of 33 Old 11-18-2014, 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by NorthernMama View Post
And, ehem, where exactly is he nibbling that he gets rewarded for this??? You'd better hope he only nibbles...

Honestly though, if you are being serious, you should correct this behavior - yours and the horses!
Ha ha He doesn't nibble actually, he just sort of nuzzles as in c'mon, you brought it for me, thanks, now gimmie........please?

Yes, I've been told by everybody at the ranch I need to correct my behavior. But Hondo does everything I ask of him. Every time.

So what's a hapless and hopeless newbie to do?

The ranch says, don't ever give him a treat unless he does something for it first. My answer, so if I have a girlfriend, I don't give her a box of chocolates unless she does something for it????

They wag their head and walk away just as you may have just done.

I don't even worry about using the flat of my hand anymore. If my fingers meet his teeth, he uses his lips and tongue to sort out the treat from my fingers. He knows the difference.

But never-the-less, I'm not careless lest he make an unintentional error.

This is not a horse that I just ride, the bond I have developed is rivaling the bond I have with my 6 year old Great Pyrenees, Meka.
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post #33 of 33 Old 11-19-2014, 12:03 AM
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Not reading all of these but just wanted to add a quote I will always remember.. not sure exactly but it was about getting after your horse quickly and effectively, I think this was specifically with a whip. "Never hit the face, you're trying to kill them not blind them". I think it sums it up rather nicely. The goal is to scare the bejezus out of them not to hurt them.
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